XXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5105 times:
That must be almost impossible to calculate. You would have to know the residual value of each aircraft, this would depend on, not only, the age of each frame but the amount of hours and cycles.
AA have a mix of old a/c (MD-80's) and some brand new 738s and 777s
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8755 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5058 times:
I would guess EK. All of those MD80s aren't worth much for AA. Emirates has a large fleet of almost brand new widebodies and a ton of A380s on the way. SQ and CX also have expensive and new fleets.
But in reality, it is probably AF-KLM as they are one of the largest airlines in the world and have a lot of relatively new long haul airplanes.
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Idlewild From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4624 times:
How about some of the LCC's? Jet Blue, Southwest, Ryanair, Alaska (not a LCC), etc, they all have young airplanes. I don't imagine they come cheap. I imagine United and Continental would be up there as well. Don't they have a young and expansive fleet as well? And even the older airplanes such the 757 are highly sought after if I'm correct.
Bongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3019 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4267 times:
Depends if you are asking which airline owns the most expensive fleet, or which operates the most expensive. The fundamental difference is that many airlines order new aircraft from A or B, and then sell them to a finance company on taking delivery. In addition many aircraft are ordered by leasing companys like ILFC and then leased to the airlines.
In specific reply to the question, its got to be an airline with a large fleet of 777's A340's or A330's as these have been the big sellers at the high end of the market in recent years. Most 747's are getting fairly well written down now due to their advancing years.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4197 times:
Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 1): If I had to guess I would say SQ or EK
EK's fleet is now quite a bit larger than SQ's in terms of units. However, SQ still have 24 passenger plus 10 cargo B747-400s. Still these fleets are quite small compared to those of AA, DL, or UA. UA's fleet is not so very old (except for the rope-start B737s). If I had to guess, I would say UA.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4167 times:
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4116 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 6): United flies some of the newest 737 Classics in the sky.
They still have low resale value compared the rest of the UA fleet. Now that the B767-200s are gone, the rope-start B737s are the next to be retired. I've forgotten when A319/A320 deliveries to UA are set to resume -- 2008?
Quoting N1120A (Reply 6): the fleet is almost entirely owned by the airline.
Who owns it has no effect on the value.
UA, by the way, own very little of their fleet. I still think it's probably the most valuable fleet.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4064 times:
Either EK, QR, or Etihad. I'm sure AF/KL is up there.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3818 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7): They still have low resale value compared the rest of the UA fleet.
Not particularly. Those aircraft are in high demand by second tier carriers and for cargo conversion.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7): the rope-start B737s are the next to be retired.
Will you quit with this rope start junk? As it is, United has a dearth of domestic capacity that needs to be bolstered. Unless they plan on gutting a domestic network that is already overreliant on substandard regional service, they need to keep those 737s, which again are rather new, flying.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7): Who owns it has no effect on the value.
The value in equity to the airline does matter.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7): UA, by the way, own very little of their fleet.
I beg to differ with you. Of the 53 777-222s registered in the US, 46 are owned outright by United Airlines. Of the 33 737-522s registered in the US, 29 are owned by United Airlines. Of their 31 747-422s, 18 are owned outright by United and 4 more are held in trust. Of the 35 767-322s, 19 (a majority) are owned by United. They own a majority, 59, of their A320's. Of 55 A319s in their fleet, United owns 51. They do only own 15 of the 70 737-322s.
Etihad has 21 planes. Thats it. There is no way their fleet is anywhere near the top of the list. Qatar has like 57. There is no comparisson between these airlines and airlines that operate 400, 500, even 700 aircraft.
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Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5986 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3631 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 9): I beg to differ with you. Of the 53 777-222s registered in the US, 46 are owned outright by United Airlines. Of the 33 737-522s registered in the US, 29 are owned by United Airlines. Of their 31 747-422s, 18 are owned outright by United and 4 more are held in trust. Of the 35 767-322s, 19 (a majority) are owned by United. They own a majority, 59, of their A320's. Of 55 A319s in their fleet, United owns 51. They do only own 15 of the 70 737-322s.
I beg to differ with you. UA does not own the aircraft "outright" as you are claiming. While they are not leasing them, financial institutions hold the paper on most of them. If you are making payments on a car, you don't own it "outright" do you?
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3255 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3605 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 10): I beg to differ with you. UA does not own the aircraft "outright" as you are claiming. While they are not leasing them, financial institutions hold the paper on most of them. If you are making payments on a car, you don't own it "outright" do you?
Not sure how it works in the US - but in the Uk you own the car as you hold the registration document but you have credit secured against it which the creditor can seize the car to pay it off - the same as a mortgage - you own the house but owe money on it - semantics I know!
Relaxitsfedex7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3281 times:
the airline with the most expensive fleet i think is american airlines , half of thier fleet consist of MD-80's & boeing 762's.
JamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3246 times:
i'd think one of the airlines that operates the big jets. i do agree that american definitly has the most expensive fleet. but i am surprised that virginatlantic or emrites would have the most expensives.
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