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Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet  
User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

I know American has the largest, but what airlines fleet has has the highest value.


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User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7602 times:

That must be almost impossible to calculate. You would have to know the residual value of each aircraft, this would depend on, not only, the age of each frame but the amount of hours and cycles.

AA have a mix of old a/c (MD-80's) and some brand new 738s and 777s

If I had to guess I would say SQ or EK


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7555 times:

I would guess EK. All of those MD80s aren't worth much for AA. Emirates has a large fleet of almost brand new widebodies and a ton of A380s on the way. SQ and CX also have expensive and new fleets.

But in reality, it is probably AF-KLM as they are one of the largest airlines in the world and have a lot of relatively new long haul airplanes.



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User currently offlineIdlewild From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7121 times:
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How about some of the LCC's? Jet Blue, Southwest, Ryanair, Alaska (not a LCC), etc, they all have young airplanes. I don't imagine they come cheap. I imagine United and Continental would be up there as well. Don't they have a young and expansive fleet as well? And even the older airplanes such the 757 are highly sought after if I'm correct.

User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3566 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6764 times:

Depends if you are asking which airline owns the most expensive fleet, or which operates the most expensive. The fundamental difference is that many airlines order new aircraft from A or B, and then sell them to a finance company on taking delivery. In addition many aircraft are ordered by leasing companys like ILFC and then leased to the airlines.

In specific reply to the question, its got to be an airline with a large fleet of 777's A340's or A330's as these have been the big sellers at the high end of the market in recent years. Most 747's are getting fairly well written down now due to their advancing years.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 1):
If I had to guess I would say SQ or EK

EK's fleet is now quite a bit larger than SQ's in terms of units. However, SQ still have 24 passenger plus 10 cargo B747-400s. Still these fleets are quite small compared to those of AA, DL, or UA. UA's fleet is not so very old (except for the rope-start B737s). If I had to guess, I would say UA.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 3):
Alaska (not a LCC),

And not a large fleet at all. Not to mention that they have a bunch of minimum 10 year old MD-80s and older 734s.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
(except for the rope-start B737s).

Rope start? United flies some of the newest 737 Classics in the sky.

More than half of Southwest's nearly 500 airplanes are 73Gs, and the fleet is almost entirely owned by the airline.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6613 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
United flies some of the newest 737 Classics in the sky.

They still have low resale value compared the rest of the UA fleet. Now that the B767-200s are gone, the rope-start B737s are the next to be retired. I've forgotten when A319/A320 deliveries to UA are set to resume -- 2008?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
the fleet is almost entirely owned by the airline.

Who owns it has no effect on the value.

UA, by the way, own very little of their fleet. I still think it's probably the most valuable fleet.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

Either EK, QR, or Etihad. I'm sure AF/KL is up there.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
They still have low resale value compared the rest of the UA fleet.

Not particularly. Those aircraft are in high demand by second tier carriers and for cargo conversion.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
the rope-start B737s are the next to be retired.

Will you quit with this rope start junk? As it is, United has a dearth of domestic capacity that needs to be bolstered. Unless they plan on gutting a domestic network that is already overreliant on substandard regional service, they need to keep those 737s, which again are rather new, flying.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
Who owns it has no effect on the value.

The value in equity to the airline does matter.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
UA, by the way, own very little of their fleet.

I beg to differ with you. Of the 53 777-222s registered in the US, 46 are owned outright by United Airlines. Of the 33 737-522s registered in the US, 29 are owned by United Airlines. Of their 31 747-422s, 18 are owned outright by United and 4 more are held in trust. Of the 35 767-322s, 19 (a majority) are owned by United. They own a majority, 59, of their A320's. Of 55 A319s in their fleet, United owns 51. They do only own 15 of the 70 737-322s.

Want to re-evaluate your statement now?

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):
Either EK, QR, or Etihad.

Etihad has 21 planes. Thats it. There is no way their fleet is anywhere near the top of the list. Qatar has like 57. There is no comparisson between these airlines and airlines that operate 400, 500, even 700 aircraft.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
I beg to differ with you. Of the 53 777-222s registered in the US, 46 are owned outright by United Airlines. Of the 33 737-522s registered in the US, 29 are owned by United Airlines. Of their 31 747-422s, 18 are owned outright by United and 4 more are held in trust. Of the 35 767-322s, 19 (a majority) are owned by United. They own a majority, 59, of their A320's. Of 55 A319s in their fleet, United owns 51. They do only own 15 of the 70 737-322s.

I beg to differ with you. UA does not own the aircraft "outright" as you are claiming. While they are not leasing them, financial institutions hold the paper on most of them. If you are making payments on a car, you don't own it "outright" do you?


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6102 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 10):
I beg to differ with you. UA does not own the aircraft "outright" as you are claiming. While they are not leasing them, financial institutions hold the paper on most of them. If you are making payments on a car, you don't own it "outright" do you?

Not sure how it works in the US - but in the Uk you own the car as you hold the registration document but you have credit secured against it which the creditor can seize the car to pay it off - the same as a mortgage - you own the house but owe money on it - semantics I know!


User currently offline1981 From Greece, joined Nov 2006, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

All airlines that have only widebodies

User currently offlineRelaxitsfedex7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

the airline with the most expensive fleet i think is american airlines , half of thier fleet consist of MD-80's & boeing 762's.

User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

i'd think one of the airlines that operates the big jets. i do agree that american definitly has the most expensive fleet. but i am surprised that virginatlantic or emrites would have the most expensives.


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