FFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5497 times:
I know that this is just a trivial matter, but if the price and flight times would be equal, which one would you choose when traveling with family? Yes, we are Skyteam (DL) members, so we would prefer to keep this within these airlines. DL is through ATL, KE through Seoul, NW via DTW, and CO is non-stop. So, are there reasons not to take CO?
Not inventing the wheel here, just to see if somebody has any fresh views about this. The most important thing, I guess is, who has the product which makes those long hours more bearable...in economy. It's been a while since I have been to Japan, and never with the family, so I have to look at this a bit more than otherwise.
SQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5478 times:
I have a rule of thumb: whenever traveling internationally, take an international airline WHENEVER possible when faced with the option, especially if the price is equal. 95% of the time, the Int'l carrier offers a significantly better product than a US Airline, and if you can earn miles on them with the program you are in (such as skyteam for DL)...then its totally worth it.
Out of New York with KE you will be getting their newly outfitted planes with Private TV's and enhanced video systems (AVOD). check out KE's website for all the details, but for a family, that should definitely keep the kids occupied for a while
Also...Incheon Airport is one of the best airports in the world in my book. For connections its easy, not as massive as HKG or NRT, and incredibly nice inside with lots of options to pass time (food, shops, airport hotel in the terminal building to sleep for a few hours). ATL is the worst airport in the world to transit in, not to mention the frequent delays there are a nightmare sometimes. DTW I can't speak of since I have not been there, but I have heard mixed reviews on it.
Bottom line...KE, no brainer if you dont mind the connection in ICN
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5445 times:
Don't know if this would affect you, but keep in mind that CO only gives 50% elite qualifying miles for discount fares if you don't book online (if you're a OnePass member), or if you fly CO but earn miles in another program. If you're a DL person and are looking for Medallion status, stay away from CO, as it's a big loss in the MQMs you earn.
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5408 times:
Hey can I just ask where you are commencing your journey? As KE does fly direct to NRT from LAX, where the flight continues to ICN. Its one of their trunk routings. But then again maybe connecting at LAX may be a hassle.
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5396 times:
Here is my two cents:
Take the non-stop, as this is the biggest time saver. No change of planes and no chance of missing your connecting flight due to anything in ATL/ICN/DTW.
The CO non-stop is a 777.
If you are a a.netter-kind-of-need-to-travel-on-different-planes kind of guy then the options of connecting are your best shot. At least two different aircraft types to boot.
If you are travelling with your family, they would probably appreciate the non-stop. I know what it is like to travel long distances with family. Non-stops are easier on the family.
With CO, you can expect onboard the following: A service of beverages before the meal, then another beverage service along with the meal, clearing of all the trays and then another beverage service. A few hours of down time, then a snack service along with more drinks. A few more hours of down time, then another hot meal along with another round of beverages. We also go through the cabin during down times with water or other drinks. Feel free to call upon us if you need anything, as well.
You can expect good service on all the carriers and valuable mileage accrued, as well.
Bottom line in terms of travel times:
CO - 14:00 hours
DL - 16:54 (not including connect time at ATL)
NW - 15:40 (not including connect time at DTW)
KE - 17:15 (not including connect time at ICN)
Whatever you decide, just have a great trip. Japan is a great place to visit.
NW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5371 times:
While I assume that this is trip is coming up soon, I say give NW a try on a future JFK-NRT once their 787s arrive. The route is suspended right now, but they still own it. I figure they did this because there's a great deal of competition on the route (admittedly with better service) and that 744 was used more efficiently elsewhere.
I think it's safe to say that one of NW's first 787s will be on that route. In fact, I think many of them will actually be based out of NRT. After all, they were purchased for the Pacific routes, primarily. My gut feeling is that they will be used from NRT and DTW first before spreading to AMS (if NW grows its based there). But I suppose this is for an NW thread...
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Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5357 times:
I would take the non-stop, especially with kids and family. Normally less to go wrong with missed connections/timings. CO's IFE has little games and such that could be entertaining for the kids too. But then again I always go for the shortest time/non-stop route when able.
Unless I am flying the plane myself
Just my advice since you asked, Buena Suerte and Good Luck!
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VC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5233 times:
Just my opinion, but NW might not be a bad choice. Yes, there's a connection, but it's in Detroit. Generally, most people find DTW a very pleasant airport to transfer in -- large terminal with good speedy rail service from one end to the other, great shopping, etc. Besides, from DTW to NRT you'll be on a 744. Call me old-fashioned, but I'm a sucker for four-engined jets.
Just my two cents. Have a great trip, no matter which way you go!
SR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5122 times:
If this was coach and you were flying with kids, this would be my list:
1. Korean Air - Despite the longer time, their fantastic AVOD system for their PTV's will keep your kids entertained for the entire flight. The service is also amazing. I just completed a ICN-JFK flight this weekend, albeit in Business Class, and to say I was impressed with KE would be an understatement.
2. Continental - Decent service, if not a bit unreliable at times with a simple PTV system.
3. Delta - The only reason they are above NW is that they have a PTV which is a must if traveling with children in my opinion.
4. Northwest - While service may be more consistent that CO/DL, the lack of PTV's would result in the kids being thoroughly bored during the flight. However DTW is an amazing terminal to change planes at.
If you were flying Business Class:
1. Korean Air: Same reasons as above.
2. Northwest: Having flown all three Skyteam airlines from the US, NW wins with the seat, service and food in my opinion. Their IFE is light years ahead of CO and DL, similar to KE's AVOD system but with fewer options. Service has always been consistently good to great for me in WBC. Definately worth a try.
3. Continental: Good seat if not a bit outdated but lacking in IFE, non AVOD system. Service is hit(generaly) or miss(rarely) from my experience but food is top quality.
4. Delta: Rather out dated seat, but still comfortable enough. IFE is similar to CO and is being updated to AVOD in the future. However food is average and the service very sub par from my experience.
Quoting SQ452 (Reply 1): I have a rule of thumb: whenever traveling internationally, take an international airline WHENEVER possible
I agree 100%
Quoting SQ452 (Reply 1): Out of New York with KE you will be getting their newly outfitted planes with Private TV's and enhanced video systems (AVOD). check out KE's website for all the details, but for a family, that should definitely keep the kids occupied for a while
As said above I just flew BOM-ICN-JFK this weekend with the new AVOD system and I can not praise it enough. One of the best IFE systems I have used on any airline.
David From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5065 times:
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4): With CO, you can expect onboard the following: A service of beverages before the meal, then another beverage service along with the meal, clearing of all the trays and then another beverage service. A few hours of down time, then a snack service along with more drinks. A few more hours of down time, then another hot meal along with another round of beverages. We also go through the cabin during down times with water or other drinks. Feel free to call upon us if you need anything, as well.
A good explanation of the service. Also hot towels before the first and last service, and a real menu. In between meals the back galley is set up with glasses of water and pretzels. I took a roundtrip EWR-NRT in December and was very impressed with the service and attention. I am very happy with CO's domestic service but CO International(specifically trans-pacific) is even better.