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Airline That Has Lost The Most Aircraft Overall  
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

This thought just came to me...does anyone know which airline has suffered the most aircraft crashes in history? Which airline has lost the least amount of aircraft overall?


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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

No hard feelings anyone, but I believe Aeroflot takes the lead. Checking with AirDisater.com can clarify this issue.

Regards



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Not so sure but Qantas has never lost anything, the safest airline. As for the most lost aircraft I have to tell you AA has had a lot of incidents over the years. I am too lazy to research this so someone get the facts!

User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Korean Air had a lot of write-offs. Maybe they are in the running for 1st place? No offense towards Korean Air fans, I like them and I know they have substantially turned themselves around! And just for that I applaud them. But the fact remains, I think they might have had the most hull-losses.

-Tim


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6364 times:
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**excuse the language**

Its a weak blow to even think about putting AA in the running. They are the largest airline in the world- 875 planes. With 875 planes circling the globe 24 hours a day, shit happens. Its proportional to nearly any other airline.

Sorry, but I dont care for this thread... I think its hard to call out a single airline, because you have to look at it from a proportional or percentage standpoint. And accident databases date back to atleast 1970- a lot has changed since then. A lot has changed since 1999, and its not all due to crashes, but the fact that with every passing day, technology gets better on airplanes (even if it is polluting the environment).

Dont take it personally,but I have requested deletion. I can see the flame wars on this thread beginning... so lets try to stop them before they get a chance to start.

JBLUA320


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

We could all check the stats online somewhere and never talk about it. But that wouldn't be much fun, eh?

WITHOUT checking anyone's database, I would guess that Garuda Indonesia ranks up there near the top of the list.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6327 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

Aeroflot is indeed the answer for the most but that needs to be put in perspective. All civil aviation in the USSR was Aeroflot.

Statistics can be fun, but they tend to be meaningless.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Pan Am has busted up a few in their day, but AeroFlot takes the trophy here.
Qantas wins going in the other direction.
safe



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

I would also instinctively say Aeroflot too.

That isn't meant to be a jab, as IMissPiedmont mentioned, they handled all aviation in the Soviet Union. For years they where also the largest airline in the world. By definition if the accident percentage is the same as with other carriers in the world, they still will have a larger total number of crashes.

But then you also factor in high risk flying such as military charters into combat zones, cropdusting and aerial application, the helicopter work, the forest firefighting work, and they by logic should have had a higher rate. Those jobs are by definition much risker then flying airport to airport.

But a lot of records especially dealing with smaller incidents don't exist.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6327 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

I'll grant QANTAS, to a point. That beingknow write-offs od aircraft during peacetime. Ignoring the short lived and new airlines (less than 20 years old) How about WN and HP for safest. One write off each.

Again, I'm playing with statistics here.



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

TWA I would imagine is up there as well.



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User currently offlineANX4fishing From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6062 times:

JBLUA320,
This is a great aviation forum. Members posing questions and asking questions, sharing info. I fail to see the reason why this topic should be deleted.

I am all for censoring foul lingo, insulting and inflammatory remarks. But some people take this "topic deletion" thing way too far.

So there...  Big grin

ANX


User currently offlineType-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

I'll agree with JBLUA320 to a point.
What this thread is going to conclude at the end is going to be "who is the safest airline?". I see it heading that way really fast.
You just can't look at it like that. You have to consider such things as:

Maintenance
Crew Response
Aircraft Type
Weather
Fleet Size

amongst other things for each and every incident. If you don't you are just making generalizations.


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6021 times:


A few years ago, I noticed that Delta kicked Korean Air off its partner/codeshare list because of Korean's shoddy safety practices.

Have they resumed their relationship?

Please let me know!!



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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

It's silly for anyone to guess... if you're going to be lazy and not back your claims with facts, then go all the way and not even post. Pretty irresponsible. Anyway, AirDisaster.com has very comprehensive crash statistics. They take into account the number of operations each airline has, and they are so ranked accordingly. This method is definitely the most accurate way to determine who has had the most accidents, based on the size of their operations. Here's the link: http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/. The top part of this link is for aircraft, but scroll down and you'll find airline data.

As far as AA goes, they do have the most "incidents" at 10, but are ranked 5th among 12 US airlines on the list in terms of safety. That's because they operated some 17 million flights. Delta was ranked highest, Airtran worst, followed by Midwest Express. Cubana, overall, had the highest accident rate of all the airlines listed. It is important to note airlines without any incidents, defined as where there was at least one fatality (excluding hijackings) aren't listed. Therefore, Delta is not the safest airline in the US as they've had some incidents. WN, HA, F9, B6 and HP have had no fatal accidents.

[Edited 2004-05-29 06:34:05]


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Another source-

http://aviation-safety.net/database/index.html


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6327 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5837 times:

Again with the silly statistics. AA has had many more then 10 "incidents" , hell WN has had more than that. But I'm splitting hairs and being correct, legally.

Let's just say that an airline had only 1 fatal crash in it's history, we'll just call it Apache for arguments sake, but it flew 3 aircraft for about 6 years. Would said mythical airline then be safer than KLM or AA?

Statistics, without perspective, are so fun!



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Without checking the database, my vote goes to Aeroflot.  Big grin


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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

I'd also have to say that Pan Am is up there.. They probably have the most 747 and 707 write-off than any other airline.. not checking any databases, of course..


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User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

Try this:


User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

www.airsafe.com please ignore the above message.

User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

Aeroflot may have had the most accidents, but it doesn't mean they're unsafe! They've had plenty of aircraft over the years, so you'd expect accidents to happen. There are 759 different registrations in the A.net database for Aeroflot. That's a lot of planes!

Tom


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5531 times:

One has to set a criteria or a guideline here. Speaking just for myself, I have a list of AA's hull losses since they entered the jet age with their first 707. AA has had 16 hull losses under their operations. They have lost at least one type of every jet aircraft they ever operated in the past, with just 4 exceptions...the BAC-111, 737, 747 & 777. If anyone interested in seeing this list I've compiled, I'll dig it out & post it. Regards.


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

I've dug out that list I've compiled some time ago on American's hull losses in the jet era. Thought I'd post it anyway, in case anyone might be interested with it. Please feel free to let me know if there's any corrections to be made.

1. 707-123 N7514A 8/15/59 @ Calverton, NY
2. 707-123 N7502A 1/28/61 @ Montauk, NY
3. 707-123 N7506A 3/1/62 @ Jamaica Bay, NY
4. CV-990 N5616 5/30/63 @ Newark, NJ
5. 727-023 N1996 11/8/65 @ Cincinnati, OH
6. 727-095 N1963 4/26/76 @ St. Thomas, USVI
7. DC-10-10 N110AA 5/25/79 @ Chicago, IL
8. DC-10-30 N136AA 5/21/88 @ Dallas, TX
9. DC-10-30 N139AA 4/14/93 @ Dallas, TX
10. 757-223 N651AA 12/20/95 @ Cali, Colombia
11. 727-223 N845AA 2/9/98 @ Chicago, IL
12. MD-82 N215AA 6/1/99 @ Little Rock, AR
13. F-100 N1419D 5/23/01 @ Dallas, TX
14. 767-223 N334AA 9/11/01 @ New York, NY
15. 757-223 N644AA 9/11/01 @ Arlington, VA
16. A300-605 N14053 11/12/01 @ Rockaway, NY

May all those who lost their lives on any of these airplanes...Rest in Peace.






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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

Just for those of you who believe this thread is ranking airlines as unsafe with the most accidents, that is not what I'm trying to do. I'm just wondering the airline with the most accidents in aircraft overall in history. Accidents are not usually the airline's fault...it is the aircraft they fly, which usually are flown by many other airlines as well. It's just simply statistics, not a question of which airline is "safer." You cannot determine the most "unsafe" airline by this idea alone.

Regards,
Thrust



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