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Which Is The Better Aircraft?  
User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Just wanted to reignite the ongoing debate over airbus and Boeing. Which aircraft fare better against each other.
The 777-200 LR vs. Airbus A340-500 and the 777-300ER vs. A340-600.


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
Which aircraft fare better against each other

There is no answer...

Each aircraft has its merits!


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11673 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
There is no answer...

Each aircraft has its merits!

Exactly, it depends on so many specific circumstances that it is virtually impossible to give a blanket recommendation, you'd have to ask specifically which aircraft was best on xyz route etc...


Now prepare for a lengthy thread of A fans and B fans bashing each other.

Dan Smile



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User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
Now prepare for a lengthy thread of A fans and B fans bashing each other.

Oh-oh! I sense a lack of sense a-comin'... And animalic instincts will prevail. Big grin

Just for the record, "the best aircraft" depends on the area of performance you want to analyse, and even then one can't be too certain.

Actually A and B should join forces.  Yeah sure That way, we'd KNOW the best aircraft for long-haul.


User currently offlineDeskflier From Sweden, joined Jan 2007, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
Which aircraft fare better against each other.
The 777-200 LR vs. Airbus A340-500 and the 777-300ER vs. A340-600.

The diplomatic, self-updating answer to this question is: The aircraft that has had the latest systems update. These two are so evenly matched on most market segments that even minor updates have immediate effects on the Airbus vs Boeing struggle for market shares. Not to mention ability to conform to customer special demands.

Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 3):
Actually A and B should join forces. That way, we'd KNOW the best aircraft for long-haul.

Until western airlines start shopping in Russia. (Il-96M and derivatives)



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User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3866 times:

Quoting Deskflier (Reply 5):
Until western airlines start shopping in Russia. (Il-96M and derivatives)

Why would they do that? I mean... Everyone knows how unsafe Russian-built planes are.  Yeah sure People would find out and stop flying that airline so they wouldn't have to fly on an old, rickety soviet airliner.  Yeah sure

dc9northwest


User currently offlineDeskflier From Sweden, joined Jan 2007, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 7):
Quoting Deskflier (Reply 5):
Until western airlines start shopping in Russia. (Il-96M and derivatives)

Why would they do that? I mean... Everyone knows how unsafe Russian-built planes are.

Let me rephrase: Until Russian aircraft manufacturers starts building up to western safety and comfort standards. Of course without losing whats good about Russian aircraft as is.



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User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Quoting Deskflier (Reply 9):
Until Russian aircraft manufacturers starts building up to western safety and comfort standards. Of course without losing whats good about Russian aircraft as is.

True... Well, I think they're safe enough already... Comfort is somewhat lacking is what I hear. The main issue is not the aircraft but the western perception of the aircraft, which is why we dont have Tu-204's etc flying transatlantic flights in western liveries.


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
Now prepare for a lengthy thread of A fans and B fans bashing each other.

Well a good A vs B debate is ok. But remember Mc Donnell Douglas airliners last longer than A or B airliners.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2384 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

As mentioned they each have their advantages but if we go by orders alone I think the 777 wins this one.

Quoting Deskflier (Reply 5):
Until western airlines start shopping in Russia.

Not gonna happen. A US airline would be viewed as far inferior if they operated a Russian jet and the Europeans are loyal to Airbus.

Quoting Deskflier (Reply 9):
Until Russian aircraft manufacturers starts building up to western safety and comfort standards.

How far behind are they? I was under the impression the Tu-204 and IL-96 were pretty up to date. Certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the Tu-154 and IL-62.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 8):
Boeing has built some planes that I'd consider quite eye-pleasing - the B777 certainly is not one of those.

The 777 may not be as beautiful as an MD-11, but it's not the eyesor the A380 is.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 12):
But remember Mc Donnell Douglas airliners last longer than A or B airliners.

No question, the proof is in the the pudding. The 733/4/5's will continue to be phased before the MD-82/83/88's are gone.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Its hard though to say which is best as each aircraft will operate better on different routes for differenet airlines. Those who already operate airbus fleets will proberley find the A340s fit in better with the fleet in terms of crew training etc. The 777 will be better for those airlines that have already operated Boeing aircraft. While the A340-500 is great for ultra long haul it lacks in terms of passenger capacity and cargo volume where the 777 is better, however, the 340-500 has a better range as there isn't the problem of ETOP.

There can't be a right or wrong answer to this though, surely?



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User currently offlineSCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3741 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 17):
How far behind are they? I was under the impression the Tu-204 and IL-96 were pretty up to date. Certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the Tu-154 and IL-62.

The Antonov An-148 is not only up to date AND way better looking than other aircraft in it's class, but it outperforms them in some areas as well! (I know it's Ukrainian, not Russian, but it's still Soviet legacy)


-Jon


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2384 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 25):
Which ones?

For starters, AF and LH. Do you see either of them ever considering the Tu-204 over the A32X series or IL-96 over the A340? Exactly.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 25):
Regardless of our recent discussion and my opinion that the MD11 certainly isn't an eye-pleaser

I am guessing you're not too fond of the DC-10 or L-1011 either. How about the 727?

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 30):
Come on guys, don't make this forum into garbage...you young teens

What's with all this whining? For the record I am in my 20's. Second, the comments are not that far fetched considering this is the Polls/Preferences forum, not Tech/Ops. I posted other thoughts beyond the respected aircraft's appearances. We do not need to regurgitate what's already been said. Please guys, this a forum for our enjoyment, not an FAA drill. Lighten up.

Quoting BMED (Reply 26):
Those who already operate airbus fleets will proberley find the A340s fit in better with the fleet in terms of crew training etc.

Tell that to AC and SQ.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 31):
Second, the comments are not that far fetched considering this is the Polls/Preferences forum, not Tech/Ops.

Yes they are, if you read the original post, the thread starter asks ...

Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
Which aircraft fare better against each other.
The 777-200 LR vs. Airbus A340-500 and the 777-300ER vs. A340-600.

.... sounds a bit more technical to me then just which a/c looks better? Plus comment's such as the ones I pointed out in reply 22 are just plain childish.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 31):
Please guys, this a forum for our enjoyment, not an FAA drill. Lighten up.

I agree, but please, let's also keep the posts at a bit more of a mature level.



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Quoting Leskova (Reply 25):
Regardless of our recent discussion and my opinion that the MD11 certainly isn't an eye-pleaser

I am guessing you're not too fond of the DC-10 or L-1011 either. How about the 727?

Right about the DC10, wrong about the L1011 and B727...  Wink

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Quoting Leskova (Reply 25):
Which ones?

For starters, AF and LH. Do you see either of them ever considering the Tu-204 over the A32X series or IL-96 over the A340? Exactly.

LH seriously considered the TU204 for Cargo not too far back, so that's not too far of a leap of imagination there... and since both not only operate Airbus aircraft, I'd say calling them loyal to Airbus (unless, of course, I'm reading more into what you wrote than you had intended) is not really giving the complete picture.

But, of course, you are right in one point - I certainly don't see either exchanging the A320 series for the TU204 at this point in time, though at least one of the two does seem to have selected a plane to replace the A340s with.

To be honest - I was more expecting you to bring up either TAP or Iberia when you mentioned the "loyal to Airbus" part...  Wink



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