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Most Profitable US International Route!  
User currently offlineB773ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 9018 times:

I think JFK-LHR and LAX-NRT are the most profitable ! what do you think

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User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 9010 times:

I'd have to agree on that one. If you count Mexico as Int'l as opposed to Trans-border, there are probably some pretty profitable routes into Mexico city from LAX or DFW.

Cheers
Carson


User currently offlineSESGDL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 8972 times:

JFK-LHR is not one of the most profitable, just look at the fares. JFK-LHR is so competitive with AA, VG, BA, and to LGW DL and CO that it's no longer the profit maker that it once was.

I'd venture to guess that the most profitable are routes with little competition like JFK-BOM, EWR-TLV, EWR-PEK, EWR-HKG, and others similar to them.

Jeremy


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8951 times:

I would say most things to Asia are more profitable, I consistantly find fares from the US to LHR for $200 plus taxes.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8933 times:

JFK-FRA , ORD-FRA , SFO-FRA // LHR - same as FRA

User currently offlineEta unknown From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

ORD - NRT would be up there for sure.

User currently offlineSteeler83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8836 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
JFK-LHR is not one of the most profitable, just look at the fares. JFK-LHR is so competitive with AA, VG, BA, and to LGW DL and CO that it's no longer the profit maker that it once was.

Especially when B6 recently offered round trips for under US $200 including taxes??? I'd say that route be saturated...


User currently offlineAirlineEcon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8813 times:

This is a no brainer the most profitable intl routes from the US have to be anything to Australia.

User currently offlineFreequentFlier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

I'd be curious to see how successful DL's African NSs are since they're not particularly well-served from the US. As for JFK-LHR, its probably profitable but with the intense competition and high tax environment, its not the money maker it once was.

User currently offlineFemialpha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8744 times:

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 8):
I'd be curious to see how successful DL's African NSs are since they're not particularly well-served from the US.

LOS happens to be one of BA's most profitable routes despite the harsh working operating environment.
DL has an opportunity to make a lot from the underserved African markets. The key is putting people who understand how to run a successful business in these areas. Too often, American companies do not adapt well to local environments. My company (non-aviation) is learning that the hard way in Europe.


User currently offlineAvianca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8643 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
JFK-LHR is not one of the most profitable, just look at the fares. JFK-LHR is so competitive with AA, VG, BA, and to LGW DL and CO that it's no longer the profit maker that it once was.

every checked the first-class prices..... on AA, BA ?? and the flights are mostly also in First full... defenetaly JFK-LHR is a money maker...

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
Especially when B6 recently offered round trips for under US $200 including taxes??? I'd say that route be saturated...

since when B6 offers flights outside the American continent?


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

According to AA, MIA-EZE.

User currently offlineRlwynn From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

Flights to Chile are not cheap.

Lax Taihiti is not cheap.

Many flights to Canada are very expensive for the distance.


User currently offlineMalaysia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
Especially when B6 recently offered round trips for under US $200 including taxes??? I'd say that route be saturated...

lol, I think he meant JFK-SOCAL Big grin


User currently offlineAirbazar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8316 times:

I would not put Asia at the top of the list because any revenue gets highly diluted by the cost of servicing such a long distance destination. You need more aircraft, more fuel, more crew to carry the same number of passengers. LHR, no way, too much competition on that route. LHR is often the cheapest trans-atlantic fare from anywhere in the US. I would have to say, the most profitable has to be a route to a "secondary" market. Something like TLV, MUC, GRU. As AirlineEcon said, I too suspect that of all the major markets, SYD is probably a very profitable route too because of the compelte lack of competition.

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

USA --> Rural South America = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

User currently offline777gk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

For Continental, IAH-LGW, EWR-TLV, EWR-ZRH, EWR-GVA, EWR-BRU, IAH-GRU, IAH-NRT, IAH-EZE are very strong performers.

Flights to Asia are generally profitable, but do not have the same margins as our most lucrative shorter-haul international markets. As has been mentioned, the operating cost of a 12-14 hour flight is quite a bit greater than your average 6-8 hour transatlantic crossing. Additional crew, fuel, meals, and duty time make these flights a very expensive proposition.


User currently offlineAvianca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
LHR, no way, too much competition on that route. LHR is often the cheapest trans-atlantic fare from anywhere in the US. I would have to say,

as mentioned before, first class is ofen very full booked on the route... .and you pay over 12.000 USD per ticket just for a 7 hour flight... not bad yield for such a short long-haul flight.... with this prices you can even sell some cheap eco tickets for 250 USD return.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
I too suspect that of all the major markets, SYD is probably a very profitable route too because of the compelte lack of competition.

LAX-SYD is twice as long but costs only 6000 USD more than JFK-LHR, you need more personal to run, more aircrafts and the aircrafts are sitting all the day long in LAX....


User currently offlineMAH4546 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 17):

LAX-SYD is twice as long but costs only 6000 USD more than JFK-LHR, you need more personal to run, more aircrafts and the aircrafts are sitting all the day long in LAX....

The biggest costs involved in flying a plane are take off and landing. The longer a flight is, the less those fixed costs are on a per/mile basis.

Also, while nobody can know what the most profitable routes are, they certainly aren't routes like Los Angeles-Tokyo and New York City-London, to markets with plenty of frequency, plenty of compieition, and plenty of flights to other markets.

Think markets with limited airlines (Bolivia), limited entry (Argentina), limited frequencies (Brazil, South Africa), etc., etc. American Airlines' most profitable London route isn't New York City, Chicago, or Los Angeles, it is Miami, which has less frequencies and less compieition than the others. A market like New York City-London, with nine airlines and 30+ daily flights probably doesn't even break into the top twenty five.


User currently offlineWJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

Quoting AirlineEcon (Reply 7):
This is a no brainer the most profitable intl routes from the US have to be anything to Australia.

That's just plain wrong.

The most profitable routes, domestic or international, depend on cost and revenue per seat/mile. In effect, yield. If you can charge $300 on an LGA-YMX hop, its is far more profitable than charging $1200 on an LAX-NRT which is 9-10 times longer. Flying from the US to Mexico resort town destinations can cost up to $700 RT in coach for 2-3 hour flights using good sized jets (757, A320 etc) with relatively low operating cost. Those would seem to make sense as the highest yield segments out there internationaly.


User currently offlineAvianca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
The biggest costs involved in flying a plane are take off and landing. The longer a flight is, the less those fixed costs are on a per/mile basis.

but you have to calculate the complete turnaround, if the aircraft sits 18 hours on ground like QF do in FRA the fixed costs per mile basis will be very high...

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Think markets with limited airlines (Bolivia), limited entry (Argentina), limited frequencies (Brazil, South Africa), etc., etc. American Airlines' most profitable London route isn't New York City, Chicago, or Los Angeles, it is Miami, which has less frequencies and less compieition than the others. A market like New York City-London, with nine airlines and 30+ daily flights probably doesn't even break into the top twenty five.

as mentioned before LHR-JFK is a money maker do all the business travell were the tarifs are very high...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 20):
but you have to calculate the complete turnaround, if the aircraft sits 18 hours on ground like QF do in FRA the fixed costs per mile basis will be very high...


Yes, that is true. Though long ground time is the exception, not the rule.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 20):

as mentioned before LHR-JFK is a money maker do all the business travell were the tarifs are very high...

Of course it is a money maker, on an absolute basis. Even with all the business traffic, I doubt it is among the most profitable when you look at profitable on a per/flight basis. There is too much compieition. AA, on a per/flight basis, makes more money on Dallas-, Miami-, and Los Angeles-London than New York City-London.

[Edited 2007-02-26 02:45:10]

[Edited 2007-02-26 02:45:35]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7985 times:

Ill venture a couple of guesses:

On UA- ORD-HKG and SFO-HKG (maybe LAX-SYD, the route is huge in cargo), UA's Pacific network is probably their moneymaker

On QF- LAX-SYD for sure!!!

On CO- maybe EWR-TLV and EWR-DEL (maybe IAH-LGW)

On AA- MIA-EZE, DFW-LGW, DFW-NRT, ORD-PVG, ORD-DEL

On DL- JFK-BOM, ATL-JNB

On NW- probably DTW/MSP-NRT, but im not very sure.


User currently offlineAvianca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7960 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Yes, that is true. Though long ground time is the exception, not the rule.

I think we have a long ground time on many markets today, as many of the Europe/Brazil - Europe/SouthAfrica. US/Brazil - US/Argentina - US-Down-Under, Europe-Down-Under etc...

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Of course it is a money maker, on an absolute basis. Even with all the business traffic, I doubt it is among the most profitable when you look at profitable on a per/flight basis. There is too much compieition. AA, on a per/flight basis, makes more money on Dallas-, Miami-, and Los Angeles-London than New York City-London.

yes would be very intresting to know the exact data... but I still think that AA is earning more money on per flight basis on the JFK, even if the LHR-MIA flights have very high first-class fares... for example.

regards
Avianca


User currently offlineMAH4546 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7948 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 23):

yes would be very intresting to know the exact data... but I still think that AA is earning more money on per flight basis on the JFK, even if the LHR-MIA flights have very high first-class fares... for example.

No, they aren't. In 2005, on a per/flight basis, ORD-MAN, MIA-LHR, and DFW-ZRH were the top three performers to Europe. This info was leaked, and has been posted on these boards and others.


25 Kanebear : Just pax or pax and cargo? Big difference there. You can have a 777 go out with 15 people on board that is making a fortune from the cargo below.
26 Bimmerkid19 : MSP-NRT on NW ... hmm... 2 flights in the Summer and 1 flight in the winter... and they are the only operators of this route at present, although ther
27 Post contains images Steeler83 : DAMNN!!! I did this in another thread, too, but I caught meself making that mistake then. I only noticed this one just now!!! I was referring to BRIT
28 United319 : What about the HNL-Asia routes (unless were only counting the 48 contiguous United States). Considering the extremely high Asian population in Hawaii
29 MCOflyer : I would think IAD- KWI for UA. MCOflyer
30 LAXdude1023 : The fact that they are the only operaters of the route makes the route more profitable.
31 UA772IAD : I would also add: SFO/ORD/IAD-FRA SFO-SYD I believe HNL-NRT/KIX are also quite profitable For AA S. American routes for sure For US probably their Ca
32 MAH4546 : US' Latin American network does not extend past Guatemala City and resorts in Mexico and Costa Rica.
33 Dimondan : It has to be anything flying to Las Vegas
34 Mtsubshe : how about jfk-dxb, on emirates
35 Post contains images CPT523 : SAA's IAD - JNB would my guess. Near monoploy on route. (Delta just started ATL-JNB, so that must show how good their code share with SAA was before S
36 CXfirst : As well as the upcoming IAD-PEK. -CXfirst
37 Airbazar : No one is arguing that it's not profitable, just that it's not one of the most profitable. With something like 20 daily flights on 5? different airli
38 IADLHR : It would seem so but I think that LAS might be very, very low yield. Otherwise, UA, at least would not be flying Ted to LAS.
39 B777A340Fan : I agree, especially untapped markets such as India and China.
40 AirlineEcon : We don't have a consistent definition of "most profitable" Is it total profits? or some measure of profits per (something) profits per take off, profi
41 FLYYUL : How do you determine profitability? By Margin % (Percentage difference between Total Revenue and Total Cost excluding overhead) or By absolutes (Total
42 Gr8Circle : I wouldn't exactly call India an "untapped" market.....growing, yes.... DL, NW, CO and AA already fly drirect to BOM/DEL/BLR and AI flies to JFK/EWR/
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