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Best And Worst US Airline Hubs And Fleets  
User currently offlineDutchdragon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9429 times:

I don't know if this has been asked before in here, although I wouldn't be suprised if it has, but since I am new here, I thought I'd ask it anyways, just incase minds may have been changed since last it was asked

The 2 questions that I have are the following .....

1. In your opinion, which US passenger airline(s) (mainline carriers, no regionals, LCC's or commuters) have the best and worst "hub and spoke" structure up to and since 2001 ?

2. In your opinion, which US passenger airline(s) (mainline carriers, no regionals, LCC's or commuters) have the best and worst airliner fleet diversity up to and since 2001 ?

3. In your opinion, which US passenger airline(s), since the 1980's, have had either better or worse results after merging with 1 or more other US airlines ?

My answers for these questions would be ....

For best hub and spoke airlines, I'd say United and Delta, for worst I'd say Northwest and Continental

For best airline fleets, I'd say, Delta and Continental, for worst, I'd say, United, America, Northwest, US Airways

For best and worst airline mergers, I'd say the best were Alaska and Jet America/MarkAir/WienAir/MorrisAir, Delta and Western (at least, for several years after the merger), United and PanAm (that is, when United got PanAm's Pacific routes and Heathrow rights). For the worst mergers, I'd say American and AirCal/RenoAir, US Airways and PSA/Alleghny, Northwest and Republic/HughesAirWest, Continental and TransInternational/Frontier (the origianal).

What are your answers to these questions ?

Thank You.

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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

Welcome to the a.net site.....hope you enjoy yourself as much as I have.  Smile

Quoting Dutchdragon (Thread starter):
US Airways and PSA/Alleghny, Northwest and Republic/HughesAirWest

You left out Piedmont in that merger mania. Piedmont was a total class act.

Quoting Dutchdragon (Thread starter):
Continental and TransInternational/Frontier (the origianal).

Actually it was Continental, Texas International, New York Air, Frontier, and PeoplesExpress that merged into what is today CO.

Quoting Dutchdragon (Thread starter):
For best hub and spoke airlines, I'd say United and Delta, for worst I'd say Northwest and Continental

I'd say Continental is pretty well off with EWR and IAH HUBS.......EWR for Europe and IAH to Central/South America are very well located for those operations. IAH is fairly centrally located for domestic travel with IAH-SEA being about the flongest flight at 4+15 most times of the year westbound.

Quoting Dutchdragon (Thread starter):
For best airline fleets, I'd say, Delta and Continental, for worst, I'd say, United, America, Northwest, US Airways

The worst I'd have to drop Northwest in first place, pick and choose from the others. The best, add American to the list with Delta and Continental.
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User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

For best hub and spoke airlines, I'd say United, NWA (the 'best' hubs -DTW and DEN) and Delta (largest one), for worst I'd say Continental (umm... EWR is bad for domestic hub geographically) and US Airways (PHL? I'd rather connect through SIN, even if i'm going to BOS)

For best airline fleets, I'd say Continental and Northwest (DC-9 are the best planes around-and the A330 has the best entartainment for US Airlines), United, and for worst, I'd say US Airways (please, those US733's look like crap).


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9706 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

I think it is important to notice the difference between O/D and connecting traffic. Some are saying that CO is in a bad position. Although they arguably have one of the most valuable hubs in EWR. Although it is very bad for connecting domestic traffic, it is good for connecting international traffic. It serves Europe very well.

However what EWR has is a ton of high yielding O/D traffic. It has the perception of being the closest large international airport to the important business districts of New York. It has a strong domestic operation, and can feed high yielding international passengers. In general it is more important to have high O/D over a geographic position. O/D traffic is higher yielding. Nonstop routes are superior to one stop routes. Passengers pay for this premium. When you are connecting passengers through a hub, it is definitely lower yielding because of the level of competition. CO has to compete with about 6 airlines for all connecting passengers to most airports, yet they might have far fewer competitors for people flying nonstop from EWR. For example you can fly any airline to FRA, but if you are going from EWR, you only have two options. CO is in a great position.

Similarly UA is in a good position being the heavyweight in ORD and being pretty dominant in other airports like SFO, LAX and IAD that are high yielding in addition to DEN. AA has ORD and DFW which are good in addition to strong market positioning in other important airports. They do well out of MIA because they fly to so many destinations that no other US airline flies to.

NW has hubs in less affluent and smaller cities in MEM, DTW and MSP. DL has ATL, but lacks a large high yielding crowd in CVG and SLC.



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2391 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9236 times:

For hubs, I give AA and UA the nod, but I live in the Chicago area so I'm biased.

Before 2001, DL and AA had great fleets, very diverse. I would probably put DL at #1 since they operated three different tri-jets from three different manufacturers. That'll never be seen again. In addition, USAir had a very diverse narrowbody fleet in the '90s.

Currently, I like NW, although I miss the DC-10's but will be looking forward to my A332 flight this May from AMS-MEM. One of two US airlines to fly the 744 and the only DC-9 operator. Although not like the old days, DL is an honorable mention. The 764's are rare and the MD-90's even more so.

On the flip side, US and CO have pretty monotonous fleets these days.



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