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User currently offlinePred02 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 52 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14319 times:

What are some of the difficult approach airports in Europe that are used for commercial, or not just private aircraft?

What comes off the top of my head are LUG, SMV, and maybe even TIV. SMV does not get scheduled traffic, but they do have occasional private B737 came in for landings.

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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14324 times:

most of eastern turkey


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User currently offlineKLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14280 times:

Actually I am not a pilot, but what is with INN

As far as I know it is located in a valley between two mountain rows...


User currently offlineDahlgardo From Denmark, joined Sep 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14226 times:

Try Vagar (Faroe Islands).

Very dangerous and difficult approach.


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The airport is surrounded by mountains, and it's eusually very windy/rainy or foggy/hazy.

Last time I went there, the approach was down the fjord (opposit approach to the one shown on the picture).
Visibility was probably around 1000m and cloudbase was appx 300ft above runway.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14178 times:

I would imagine Courcheval, France, is right up there:


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Incredible from a passenger point of view, but it must the ultimate white-knuckler to a pilot!!



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User currently offlinePred02 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14143 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
I would imagine Courcheval, France, is right up there:

Beautiful airport and scenery, but I don't think any scheduled service operates to there.

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 3):
The airport is surrounded by mountains, and it's eusually very windy/rainy or foggy/hazy.

Only Atlantic Airways and Air Iceland fly out there?


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14091 times:

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Beautiful airport and scenery, but I don't think any scheduled service operates to there.


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Well, this picture has a Tyrolean Airways DH-8...so it has had some charter service. Or maybe it is scheduled during winter skiing season?



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User currently offlineDahlgardo From Denmark, joined Sep 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14023 times:

Quoting Pred02 (Reply 5):
Only Atlantic Airways and Air Iceland fly out there?

Atlantic has about 5-7 scheduled flights a day with destinations in Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Scotland.

I dont know about Air Iceland.

Maersk Air used to fly there (even with 737-200s back in the 1970s & 80s) but they stopped some years ago.

The 737-200s had specially upgraded engines because of the short runway. As a suppliment to the dangerous terrain and at times voilent weather, the runway 13/31 is only 4101 x 98 feet (1250 x 30 meters). Not much room for errors.

In 1996 a Gulfstream III (F-330) of the RDAF crashed on a mountainside on approach to Vagar. The plane, which carried the Danish Commander in Chief, was brought down by violent mountain winds and crashed in inverted position .



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13938 times:

Quoting Pred02 (Thread starter):
What are some of the difficult approach airports in Europe that are used for commercial, or not just private aircraft?

The 09 Approach to GIB is tricky due to airspace restrictions from Spain. However with the new "understanding" in place, that may have eased. They are (were) different for civil and military operations as you can see here:

virtualskies.net/cvars/download/LXGB.pdf

Also LJU has some interesting departure route to the North:

http://www.ivao-si.org/charts/LJLJ_4-1.pdf

Edit: I forgot CVU which is one of the Azores (and geologically speaking America so does it qualify?). It has a 400m runway and scheduled services:





[Edited 2007-03-14 00:04:16]

[Edited 2007-03-14 00:05:56]


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13875 times:

Similar to Vagar, Longyearbyen (LYR) in Svalbard, Norway suffers from some amazing weather extremes, which coupled with the months of darkness during the winter make for some very difficult approaches. Still, SAS and Braathens maintain several weekly (possibly daily?) services year round.

LCY - London City is also fairly unusual when you consider the steep glide path and the size of jets which fly in there. PLH - Plymouth was the first UK airport certified with such a steep glide-slope, coupled with a very short runway (just over 1100m), high altitude; stuck right between the moors and the sea, this creates some pretty abysmal weather and very difficult approaches into it.

The Isles of Scilly (ISC) is also another difficult one (as are many of the Scottish Isle Airports), 570m long, stuck out in the Atlantic off the tip of Cornwall it's pretty open to the elements, SkyBus only fly Islanders and DHC6's in.


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User currently offlinePred02 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13608 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
LCY - London City is also fairly unusual when you consider the steep glide path and the size of jets which fly in there. PLH - Plymouth was the first UK airport certified with such a steep glide-slope, coupled with a very short runway (just over 1100m), high altitude; stuck right between the moors and the sea, this creates some pretty abysmal weather and very difficult approaches into it.

The Isles of Scilly (ISC) is also another difficult one (as are many of the Scottish Isle Airports), 570m long, stuck out in the Atlantic off the tip of Cornwall it's pretty open to the elements, SkyBus only fly Islanders and DHC6's in.

Given the short runway length and the steep approach, limits the type of aircraft allowed to land at LCY, much like LUG and other airports with steep approaches and runways.

It's funny to see so many airports being mentioned in the Balkans.

I am wondering if any pilot is certified to execute these approaches, I am sure in the case of Faroe Islands that those pilots are well trained to handle the conditions. Much like pilots that fly to very north providences of Canada.


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13504 times:

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 1):
most of eastern turkey

Surely Eastern Turkey is Asia Minor.

Funchal is a "Captain's Only" approach for most airlines, captains having to have at least one jump seat ride into the airport prior to handling due to windshear, the runway being elevated on concrete pillars and an upward slope at the approach end.

Gibraltar used to be fum coming in over the dockyard on the Gibair Viscount.


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2182 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13459 times:

Mosjoen

St. Tropez

Helgoland

Mannheim

Sion

Bolzano!!

Reggio di Calabria

Firenze

Skiathos


User currently offlineJetfan727 From Belgium, joined Dec 2006, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13228 times:

Never been to the other airports Mozart is mentioning but Skiathos is certainly not a piece of cake !

User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13185 times:

For a larger airport, how about Templehoff??
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