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AC Or RG To South America?  
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7727 times:

Hi all. I'm planning a trip to SCL (from ORD) and am having to make some decisions about which airline(s) to use. I'm not paying so price is not a huge issue, but I would like to fly a Star Alliance carrier for the miles. Thus, I'd like some information comparing both the service of RG and AC and ease of transferring in YYZ and GRU. I'm particularly interested in the existence or lack thereof of a sterile transfer area in GRU due to the nature of dealing with Brazillian immigration with an American passport. Thanks in advance for your replies.


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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7681 times:

Cubsrule:

I think you answered your own question mate -- dealing with Brazilian immigration with an American passport? According to most, not a pleasant experience. I think your best bet in terms of ease and quality of service is AC - ORD/YYZ/SCL.

The SCL service currently operates 4 times per week (Tu/Th/Sa/Su). Effective November 1st, given the popularity of the route it will commence daily ops.

Happy Flying

Rod



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

I am very surprised to see that UA does not fly non-stop to SCL. To tell the truth, both alternatives sound interesting, just bear in mind that RG does not fly to ORD so you would have to fly ORD-GRU with UA and then GRU-SCL with RG. I have heard very good comments of UA's flights to GRU, so I would probably choose UA/RG.

GRU is hated by many and loved by others. In my opinion, it is not a complicated airport and connecting there should not be an issue. Dealing with Brazilian immigration with an American passport equates to having your picture and fingerprint taken... nothing complicated. It's what most people have to go through when entering the U.S. anyway. I don't know if transit passengers need to go through this or not, but I would tend to think that they do. In any case, just be careful with the time you have at GRU. If you leave the gates area, you will need to make a line again in order to get through passport control and those lines can be really long depending on the time of the day.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7640 times:

Eddie- If I went with RG, I'd probably fly ORD-MIA on UA and then to GRU on RG metal, especially if they are still using MD-11s from MIA to GRU when I go. Thanks for the advice.


I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 690 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7607 times:

or, go ORD-EZE on UA and then EZE-SCL on LH (A340-600  Smile ) - little extra way but I'd say it's worth it.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7607 times:

I see. I thought you would not want to add another stop and change of planes in your itinerary because of the loss of time. I sort of prefer the smallest number of connections possible (or non-stop flights if available). Let us know what you decide.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7567 times:

I'd definitely do what Daumuller suggests. Just check the time of arrival of the UA flight and the departure time of the LH flight.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineCayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7567 times:

First of all--the fingerprinting for US citizens is NOt the same as the US Visit electronic fingerprints--they (Brazil) fingerprint using ink (like being booked in a cop station)---lines are often very long if you are in back of plane--all in all a hassle to be avoided if you have any other alternative--I would also caution you against transiting through MIA because although it is one of my favourite cities on the planet it is one of my least favourite airports--long horrible lines--gate issues---also to be avoided--

The YYZ SCL non-stop is a great option--and as I have said on many forums before AC offers a great product--if by chance you are going Biz class then hands down go AC through YYZ--frequent flights from ORD to YYZ so it's a very easy connection and i can tell you from first hand expereince that the AC intl. EXecFirst business class product is outstanding and superior to anything offered by any of the major US carriers which tend to offer 3 full classes--


User currently offlineRT514 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 7521 times:

Although I haven't flown RG, I have flown on an AC B763ER from YVR-SYD (the same type flown from YYZ-SCL) and Hospitality Class is excellent. You would find it is a roomy and good quality product, better than that offered on any other AC widebody, and definitely better than UA's Coach.

I've also flown Business Class on AC's same aircraft type and I agree with Cayman, it's outstanding.

Avoiding Brazilian immigration (as you have stated that is a point of concern) and knowing that you can have confidence in AC's product on this route, I'd say that the scales would be tipped in favour of AC.


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

Cubsrule: Chilean way actually starts onboard LAN! Well, as for your question, I think the it depends: AC does not fly daily, so if you need specific dates maybe this is not the best alternative. RG fly to Santiago 3 flights daily, including the 777. UA and LH sounds good, also crossing the Andes and watch the Aconcagua (the highest peak of the Andes) worth it, so try a window seat if you do it (same with RG).
Are you coming for holidays? any plans?

Eddie: UA dropped Santiago, it seem AA and LA were too tough competitors. Actually, when AA and LA were negotiating the codesharing UA was a strong opposing and made a lot of noise in order to stop it. After the agreement (before LA joined OW), this alliance made both of them very strong players in USA-Chile market. United was not the only victim, CO also leaved SCL (actually LA was very "dirty" player about CO case). Now DL is the only competitor of this alliance. Good thing LA does not flight to ATL! Remember Chile and USA have open sky agreement.

As for UA and Chile, this is a photo I really like: the last day of United in Santiago de Chile

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Photo © Renzo Pontiggia


Regards!

)( Arcano



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

Thanks for the pic Arcano! Hopefully the "we will never forget" will translate into the resumption of the flight at some point in the future.

I agree LA would be the best choice, but if our Chicago friend wants Star Alliance carrier(s), then the ORD-EZE with UA and EZE-SCL with LH sounds to me like the best alternative. I would definitely do that!



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

I would be very cautious about making any long or near term flight bookings with AC. AC remains in bankruptcy protection -- short term or near term liquidation is a reasonable possibility. AC continues to lose money and there is no indication it can or will emerge from bankruptcy.

Everyone should avoid AC until it's future is clearer.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

It hurts me when I ear to use RG from US to Brazil...Of course I would suggest MIA/GRU with TAM...although it is not StarAlliance...just a suggestion.

User currently offlineCarlos1979 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

YYZ 117

I completely disagree, we should continue to support Air Canada. Let's face facts, the Canadian Government will never let AC fail, it would kill the economy. I wouldn't have an qualms about booking a flight on AC months from now. They're not going anywhere.



User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

I also agree with the colleague from Canada...just remembering VARIG in in a very, very bad shape...and it is not under any Chapter 11 or similar because of a law in Brazil that does not allow an airline to enter into this kind of protection. If and airline in Brazil is in bad shape, very, very near to close, than it will close!!! RG is the a problem also.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

Let's face facts, the Canadian Government will never let AC fail, it would kill the economy.

The Cdn govt will not bail out AC. AC's demise will not affect the economy.

I completely disagree, we should continue to support Air Canada.

We should support all airlines, not just AC.

The fact remains that AC could still collapse within weeks or months. Cdns are well versed on AC's travails but non-Cdns are not. AC should be avoided at all costs until its near term longevity is assured. You will be much safer flying RG or any other airline.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRT514 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

The fact remains that AC could still collapse within weeks or months

It sure could... as could many other airlines. I remember how quickly Ansett Australia ceased operations in 2001. It came quick and with very little warning. That possibility exists virtually anywhere.


AC should be avoided at all costs until its near term longevity is assured

It just was. In fact, its future is far more secure today than it was just two weeks ago.


You will be much safer flying RG or any other airline

Really? Safer than UA? Safer than US Airways?


I think that Cubsrule has gotten a lot of good advice in this thread (Yyz717's attempts to promote the prophecy of his signature aside) and regardless of the decision, bon voyage.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

I don't think that booking a flight with AC could be risky. For starters, Deutsche Bank agreed to make funds available to the company so I don't think there is an imminent risk of winding-up. Second, I believe that the company has already hit rock bottom, financially speaking, and will start improving slowly but constantly.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLacsaA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

If you are flying first into MIA, why not take the best Latin America carrier directly to SCL: Lan????????????

User currently offlineSafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7167 times:

Booking with AC should not be a problem. The airline is in no worst shape than UA and as another member stated, RG is supposedly in no-better shape too. And even If they folded, it would be much more easier to retrieve your money, Canada is closer let's say.

Secondly, the international product AC offers in both classes is very good, it does not have advanced IFE systems, but many people would be ready to pass that option for a 34" seat pitch.

Thirdly, I've never flown RG so I just can't comment.

Hope this helps.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Thanks for all of your advice. Arcano- I'm actually not coming until January of 2005, but I want to make plans over the summer as preparations will just get harder when school starts again (August). It's a semester program in Santiago, so I'll leave at the end of May. To respond to the bickering Canadians, I have no qualms about booking and flying UA, US, and DL in the states, and I can't imagine that AC is in any worse shape. I'm leaning toward AC or the UA/LH combination, and there will surely be a trip report after I travel. That 34 inch pitch sure sounds good...


I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineCarlos1979 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

YYZ717

I don't know where you studied Economics, but when the national airline of a country goes under, it has a profound impact on the national economy. I'm not saying that the economy would collapse, but it would hurt. Imagine the burden on the EI system of an extra 35,000 claimants, loss in tax income, loss of cargo capacity, the list goes on. There is no possible way that any responsible government (Liberals????) could let this happen.
I completely agree with you that we should support all airlines, regardless of financial performance.

C


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

I don't know where you studied Economics, but when the national airline of a country goes under, it has a profound impact on the national economy. I'm not saying that the economy would collapse, but it would hurt. Imagine the burden on the EI system of an extra 35,000 claimants, loss in tax income, loss of cargo capacity, the list goes on.

Most of the lucrative AC routes will quickly be pciked up by other carriers within weeks of an AC shutdown. The national economy will barely notice the difference.

EI is self-funding, and other Cdn airlines will staff up. Nortel laid off 40k employees in 2000/2001---the Cdn ecpnomy was not impacted. With the AC ee's spread throut canada -- the effect will be even less with AC.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 6947 times:

LAN, the best Latin American carrier? It iis a joke.....

User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

Yeah sure JJMNGR...
Who's better? TAM? Varig?


25 Arcano : Lan Fan: naaaaaaaaah, I bet he means Gol... no, better VASP!
26 Post contains images TR763 : Hey Cubsrule, I don´t know if this is possible, but as RG and AC are from STAR, maybe you could try to go with one of them, and come back with anothe
27 Carlos1979 : YYZ117 I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I can't see the validity of your arguments and you obviously can't see the validity of mine. I think we c
28 Cubsrule : Let me ask you Canadians this: Is AC in worse shape than the American carriers that are having problems like UA, US, and DL? Unfortunately, I don't kn
29 Md11dude : YYz717 .....if people avoid flying AC because of chpt 11, then its going to be even worse off....thats exactly the attitude that hurts. But on the oth
30 JJMNGR : Of course for a FAN of LAN, Singapore Airlines worldwide known as a TOP AIRLINE doesn´t mean anything.... But one thing I can tell...LAN is no doubt,
31 WiLdmanVzla : Well, I'm not chilean... but try LA, it's a very good airline, a lott better than RG for sure. *******
32 JJMNGR : BETTER THAN VARIG...YES I AGREE.
33 Cayman : Cubsrule-- As you can see the issue of Air Canada raises alot of hot opinions amongst Canadians. However, on any objective analysis (in my opinion for
34 Post contains links Arcano : JJMNGR Hey, you have right to love TAM and not like LAN, but read polls, rankings, etc. You will see a lot of awards for LAN as the best Latin Americ
35 Post contains images TR763 : JJMNGR I´m sorry, but I think that Arcano is right! I´m a HUGE fan of TAM, but we can´t close our eyes to our neighbour here that is LAN. It´s gre
36 RT514 : Let me ask you Canadians this: Is AC in worse shape than the American carriers that are having problems like UA, US, and DL? Unfortunately, I don't kn
37 Post contains images Arcano : TR763: sorry for that, sometimes we use irony to make a point. Pleas do not take as something personal or against Brazil, because it's not. I wish we
38 EddieDude : LA is a benchmark that all or most Latin carriers try or at least should try to imitate. That does not mean JJ is not good; on the contrary, it is a g
39 Yyz717 : Yyz717's insinuation that purchasing travel on AC was inherently riskier than virtually any other airline was unfounded, however. It's not unfounded.
40 JJMNGR : Gentlemen, LAN is a great airline! I am not saying anything that says the opposite. LAN has really more international recognition because it is part o
41 Post contains images RT514 : RT514: Yyz717's insinuation that purchasing travel on AC was inherently riskier than virtually any other airline was unfounded, however. Yyz717: It's
42 Cubsrule : Eddie- The UA/LH connection doesn't work as the direct flight arrives at EZE at 11:45 AM and the LH flight leaves at 10:00 AM. I could, however, take
43 Post contains images TR763 : Arcano: Who wins on Sunday?? Well I really think Brasil is going to win , but I´m not very well informed about the Chilean team so... God knows... We
44 Yyz717 : In all seriousness, what gives you the knowledge, insight, expertise, "psychic energy" or otherwise to qualify your insinuation that AC is the riskies
45 AC_B777 : So Yyz717, Like mentioned, if everyone were to take your advice and not fly AC, then how can it be expected that it will ever make a come back? AC sti
46 FLYACYYZ : RT514 AC_B777 And the other AC Supporters - We just have to take YYZ717's death wish for AC with a grain of salt. He has been singing the same old mon
47 Cubsrule : FLYACYYZ- I'm 90% sure that's what I'll be doing... perhaps with a jaunt through YOW or YUL just because I can on the way home.
48 Post contains images Arcano : TR763: Hey, good photos!, they look great together It reminds me some years ago, in the times LA and UC were tough competitors, that there was a newsp
49 Post contains links Arcano : If you want further information, you can also read this: Press Release: LAN CHILE Recognized as Most Competitive Airline in Latin America http://biz.y
50 Post contains images Lan_Fanatic : Bravo Arcano Great post. I think our brazilian friend should take a look inside his giant, powerful and industrious nation before talking about our po
51 Ricardomexico : Wharever you choose: UA, AC, or RG have a good trip! ... In my last trip GRU-MEX I got an excellent impression of RG, cause I got an upgrade from exec
52 Arcano : Thanks LanFan, and did you read that 767s are "middle body"? I didn't know that word even exist!. Then how can we call TAM's F100s? "Supernarrow"? "Fl
53 Lan_Fanatic : Jajajaja, good one Arcano. Perhaps a "middle body" is a new concept of airplane, with one and a half aisle. And about those A330s...where do they fly?
54 RT514 : RT514: In all seriousness, what gives you the knowledge, insight, expertise, "psychic energy" or otherwise to qualify your insinuation that AC is the
55 Post contains images Yyz717 : Safer on "any other airline" qualifies your statement to mean that AC is the unsafest airline to book travel on. You're splitting hairs. By safer, I m
56 TBCITDG : Arcano: Am sorely disappointed at your arrogance! Thought better of you! And Lan Fanatic: Unless you have anything remotely intelligent to ADD: You sh
57 JJMNGR : Dear TBCITDG, You are right. Arrogance!!! I really laugh a lot with all this...its ages since I did not laugh like this....very, very funny....for a w
58 FLYACYYZ : YYZ717 The point of the statement, is that despite your fear-mongering, seems that the travelling public is still sticking with AC. Nobody ever stated
59 S.p.a.s. : Dear JJMNGR I would like to make a small request on you: Would you mind stopping with this stupid Varig-bashing? On 8 out of 10 messages you write you
60 Yyz717 : Might interest you to know that apparently Cathay Pacifics #1 money losing route is YYZ-HKG, despite also being full. How do you know this Rod? CX is
61 TR763 : TBCITDG: I have to agree with you! "I think our brazilian friend should take a look inside his giant, powerful and industrious nation before talking a
62 TR763 : Just to complete: Not trying to say that JJ or LA is better, but if you want to say that one is better, prove it, show facts, numbers, as some people
63 FLYACYYZ : Regarding the financial status of CX's YYZ-HKG route. Out of the mouths of babes as they say. A CX VP who recently travelled on my flight, and was ver
64 Arcano : TBCITDG: I wouldn't expect anything different from you. I wait your trip report bashing LAN after your southamerican trip. J J: me arrogance? read you
65 Arcano : TR763: If someone says Chile is just a small piece of land with no industry, which is nothing related to aviation, I will answer about economics. I di
66 Yyz717 : Ready for another shock?? YVR-HKG just behind YYZ in terms of lacklustre profit potential. That's interesting Rod. It makes you wonder why they contin
67 RT514 : By safer, I meant your reservations would be "safer" on another airline not on the precipice of bankruptcy Yyz717, I know exactly what you meant, and
68 TBCITDG : Arcano: My friend! I cannot believe how hot headed you have become regarding the topic above! Please do not drag me into it as all I wanted to point o
69 Arcano : TBCITDG: You are right. All I did was post facts that supported my opinion about how LA was a better airline. Read reply 40: I will not accept from an
70 Lan_Fanatic : JJMNGR, you posted this: But if you consider that their B763 are old, that is is not a widebody aircraft (it is a middlebody), their configuration is
71 Arcano : Don't waste your time, some people confuses arrogance with facts and arguments with ignorance. They call us arrogant, not liars. Do you note no a sing
72 Cubsrule : Arcano- I will probably be flying AC, but will be doing some travelling within Chile and so will get to experience LA's domestic service at least. If
73 Arcano : Sure! Other members already have, so just email me and I'll try to give you tips or further information you might requiere. Lan will be a good idea fo
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