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User currently offlineJETBLUEATASW From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

I recently went to a career fair at my college(Vaughn college of aeronautics and technology outside KLGA) and i was wondering about working for a regional airline. I spoke to JetBlue Airways and they mentioned most pilots who work for them start with Comair. The question i have is, why do regional airlines vary in the amount of hours they want? Example Air Winsconstin wants 1000 hours TT and 100 hours ME time, according to Airlinepilotcentral.com. One thing i dont understand is the discrepancies between the sites. Comair according to airlinepilotcentral wants 600 hours TT and 100 ME time. However according to airlineapps.net, it says they want 1200 TT and 200 ME time. Are there any regionals who hire with time like 500-600 hours? I am going to be going to college starting May 21st, and when i graduate, one usually graduates at the Certified Flight Instructor level, with about 300 hours or so. My Goal is JetBlue Airways or Delta to become a pilot for either one. I figure if i get into a regional that gives turboprop experience like piedmont, then i'll go to Delta. If i get into Comair, then I'll go to JetBlue. Another question. Why does American Eagle take 9 years to upgrade to captain? is that why they need pilots to work for them so badly? Working for them doesnt necessarily mean u can become a Airline Pilot for American Airlines someday(especially since they remain in furlough). Its going to take me three years to get this bachelor's degree. I was wondering, would a bachelor's degree in Aircraft operations help? Also since regionals usually only pay about 20-30,000 your first year, do most people keep second jobs, or is that even possible? Example I could be a Certified Flight instructor, and a Regional airline Pilot at Comair or Piedmont or something like that?

I realize i have alot of questions, i just want to know how this will be working. Thanking you all in advance for answering my many inquiries.


"DO ME A FAVOR WOULD YA, THE NEXT TIME U LAND A PLANE ON MY STRIP, BONE UP ON YOUR MORSE CODE"-Tom Berenger
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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Well from what I hear there is not much movement at American Eagle, hence the 9 year upgrade wait. Regionals vary on their miniums based on how bad they need pilots. I hear Mesa and TSA are going as low as 500 TT. But its all hearsay.

User currently offlineJETBLUEATASW From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

So I guess when i graduate college in 2009-2010 year, i guess we'll see what happens. Maybe i'll just be a CFI and still work at my full time job at the Railroad. cause if i graduate with 300 hours, it shouldnt take me too long to get up to 1000 and get into Chataqua or someone like Comair or whomever.


"DO ME A FAVOR WOULD YA, THE NEXT TIME U LAND A PLANE ON MY STRIP, BONE UP ON YOUR MORSE CODE"-Tom Berenger
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Reply 2):
Maybe i'll just be a CFI and still work at my full time job at the Railroad.

Do that........WAY-WAY better money, benefits, retirement and job stability with the railroad



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User currently offlineJETBLUEATASW From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

no, u dont get it. Im still going to be a Airline Pilot. So I was going to be a CFI and work for the railroad until i get my required hours then im leaving. You might be wondering why, well lets jus say im in the railroad 5 years and i have watched people i have trained go ahead of me, and the railroad doesnt want to promote me because im a railfan. With the utmost respect to you, attempts to negotiate or talk me out of this have already failed and will continue to be utterly useless. I have already started aeronautical college and seperate flight training to follow as well. Im not going to get into MTA bashing here, if u want to know about my horror stories, drop me a email. I appreciate the help, its just that my mind is made up and no turning back. This is what i originally wanted anyway, the railroad was just a side track. LITERALLY, LOL


"DO ME A FAVOR WOULD YA, THE NEXT TIME U LAND A PLANE ON MY STRIP, BONE UP ON YOUR MORSE CODE"-Tom Berenger
User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 1):
Well from what I hear there is not much movement at American Eagle, hence the 9 year upgrade wait. Regionals vary on their miniums based on how bad they need pilots. I hear Mesa and TSA are going as low as 500 TT. But its all hearsay.

It's no hearsay, mesa and tsa are hiring with just a commercial and multi engine license, they don't even care what your flight hours are. AE is more like 5-7 years.

To the thread starter, majors hire pilots based on their experience not based on airline. I have no idea where you got the idea that Jetblue hires only from comair. Anyways what you need to do right now is finish college and get the flight time needed to get to a regional. What majors such as Jetblue care about is 1000 hours pilot in command time(captain) in a jet or turbo prop and college experience. As far as the hours for regionals, it's all based on the need of that airline.


User currently offlineJETBLUEATASW From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7020 times:

where does it say JetBlue hires people with turboprop time?

1500 hours total time in airplanes (excluded: Helicopter, Simulator, Flight Engineer time)
• 1000 hours turbine in airplanes
• 1000 hours Pilot in Command Time*
• 1000 hours in airplanes at or above 20,000 pounds (maximum takeoff weight) or 1000 hours in large jet-powered airplanes at or above 12,500 pounds (maximum takeoff weight)
• Recency of flight experience will be considered
• Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certification
• Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
• Federal Communication Commission (FCC) Radio License
• Valid Passport with the ability to travel in and out of the United States
• Three reference letters from Pilots who can personally attest to the candidate’s flying skills (must bring originals to interview)
• Vision corrected to 20/20
• High School Diploma or General Education Development (GED) Diploma
• College Degree preferred but not required
• Regular attendance and punctuality
• Organizational fit for the JetBlue culture, that is, exhibit the JetBlue values of Safety, Caring, Integrity, Fun and Passion
• Well groomed and able to maintain a professional appearance
• Pass a ten (10) year background check and pre-employment drug test
• Legally eligible to work in the country in which the position is located
• When working or traveling on JetBlue flights, and if time permits, all capable Crewmembers are asked to assist with light cleaning of the aircraft


When they said turbine, dont they mean jet engine? so if one like me was to go to Piedmont, all Piedmont flies is Dash 8 which is all turboprop......



"DO ME A FAVOR WOULD YA, THE NEXT TIME U LAND A PLANE ON MY STRIP, BONE UP ON YOUR MORSE CODE"-Tom Berenger
User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7005 times:

Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Reply 6):
where does it say JetBlue hires people with turboprop time?

1500 hours total time in airplanes (excluded: Helicopter, Simulator, Flight Engineer time)
• 1000 hours turbine in airplanes
• 1000 hours Pilot in Command Time*
• 1000 hours in airplanes at or above 20,000 pounds (maximum takeoff weight) or 1000 hours in large jet-powered airplanes at or above 12,500 pounds (maximum takeoff weight)
• Recency of flight experience will be considered
• Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certification
• Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
• Federal Communication Commission (FCC) Radio License
• Valid Passport with the ability to travel in and out of the United States
• Three reference letters from Pilots who can personally attest to the candidate’s flying skills (must bring originals to interview)
• Vision corrected to 20/20
• High School Diploma or General Education Development (GED) Diploma
• College Degree preferred but not required
• Regular attendance and punctuality
• Organizational fit for the JetBlue culture, that is, exhibit the JetBlue values of Safety, Caring, Integrity, Fun and Passion
• Well groomed and able to maintain a professional appearance
• Pass a ten (10) year background check and pre-employment drug test
• Legally eligible to work in the country in which the position is located
• When working or traveling on JetBlue flights, and if time permits, all capable Crewmembers are asked to assist with light cleaning of the aircraft


When they said turbine, dont they mean jet engine? so if one like me was to go to Piedmont, all Piedmont flies is Dash 8 which is all turboprop......

No, they mean turbine engine aircraft as opposed to piston engine. Aircraft such as the EMB120, Saab 340, Dash-8 have turbine engines and are over 20K pounds, look at point 3 above. They have jet engines with propellers. If you are a Piedmont captain you have just as much chance at Jetblue as any other CRJ captain.


User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Thread starter):
Comair according to airlinepilotcentral wants 600 hours TT and 100 ME time. However according to airlineapps.net, it says they want 1200 TT and 200 ME time.

This discrepency is possible because they will take pilots with 600/100, provided they have CRM training, CRJ sim time, or any other prerequisets.

Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Thread starter):
Are there any regionals who hire with time like 500-600 hours?

yes. there are quite a few, like pinnacle, etc.

Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Thread starter):
I figure if i get into a regional that gives turboprop experience like piedmont, then i'll go to Delta. If i get into Comair, then I'll go to JetBlue.

why that order? any regional will prepare you for any major.

Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Thread starter):
Another question. Why does American Eagle take 9 years to upgrade to captain? is that why they need pilots to work for them so badly?

there is not set time to upgrade. my guess is you are looking at "most junior captain hired.." that refers to the date when that person was hired, but not nessarily made captain. so, this pilot was hired in 1998, but upgraded to capain any time since then. it all works on seniority bids.

Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Thread starter):
Working for them doesnt necessarily mean u can become a Airline Pilot for American Airlines someday(especially since they remain in furlough).

nope. you can work for any regional and have no guarantee at any airline.



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