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A Little Bit Of Europe Trip Planning Required  
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Hi to all of you European guys out there..... well the background is this... me and my gf are planning a 3 week trip to europe, our point of entry will be Paris, since we are getting our Schengens from there, but i need some advice on how many countries it would be possible to visit in 3 weeks? I was thinking more on the lines of 3.

Further, i want to know about flights, prices, etc, is it cheaper to fly or to take the Eurail?

Anyone done this trip before? I need some help! And can anyone recommend good places to stay in Paris and Rome which are like clear and yet dirt cheap?

regards
nitin


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User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3918 times:

Hi there,

first of all, with your Schengen visa you will be allowed to visit all Schengen countries during your visit (there are no passport and custom checks in between anyway...).

For accomodation in Paris and Rome I'll recommend hotels.com to check rates and availability, however, bookings might be cheaper if made directly through the hotel. But it's neat to check out all your options.

Flights in Europe can be really cheap by now - check out easyjet.com (they leave out of Orly though, but serve cities like Athens, Berlin, Rome, Geneva, Madrid...) - otherwise I know more about the Germany LCCs (such as www.airberlin.de, hlx.de, germanwings.de - they all serve Paris and have great fares if booked ahead of time...). Unfortunately, I don't know the prices for Eurorail...

Have a great trip!!!


User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3918 times:

Europe is a big place, it depends where you want to visit. Three weeks is a nice amount of time for a European tour. Maybe a combination of flights and trains? Certainly Eurorail will be cheaper unless you find some great deals with the LCCs. You could however make a great three week tour using LCCs to change country and then moving a bit by train.

Something like: Paris-Seville (clickair) and then train to Madrid and then a flight to Rome (Ryanair) and make your way up Italy to Venice via Florence. Then maybe trake a train accross Slovenia (i'm pretty sure a Schengen visa is ok for Slovene entry) to Austria..or you could fly from Venice to Scandinavia..for a change of pace and climate. Then you could fly back to Paris. All it all it depends on how much money you have.. Big grin

look at the airlines, Clickair, Ryanair, Easyjet, Vueling, Myair etc and see what you can find and where you want to see. I don't know which of the 12 "new" EU members allow entry for Indian citizens without a visa. I would guess those cloest to joining Schengen allow anyone with a Schengen visa to enter. Visit Eastern Europe too!

Enjoy!


User currently offlineTAP1972 From Portugal, joined Dec 2003, 396 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3897 times:

I would suggest to check Clickair, Vueling and Easyjet and visit sunny Lisbon. 3 to 4 days to enjoy Lisbon, it's sorroundings (Sintra, Cascais, Obidos,etc), appreciate the Excellent food and enjoy the night life of Lisbon. It will not be very expensive, believe me

www.visitportugal.com


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4010 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3884 times:

Make sure you know which countries are in Schengen.
The United Kingdom is NOT.
Neither are Norway or Switzerland, they are not in the EU.
Some Eastern European countries are, but some are not. Poland isn't for sure.
If you stay inside Schengen, you don't need to show your passport (except to check in staff as ID!)
When travelling on LCC make sure you know where the airport is. Some of them like Ryanair's Frankfurt which is at Hahn are an awful long way from the city.
If you travel by train or road inside Schengen, there are no borders.
It is strange sometimes. You can drive from Sweden to Norway and there is no border. But if you fly you pass through passport control, but I have never had to show my passport!, even though Norway is outside Schengen, and the EU.
Travelling by air, it is always the airline staff that want your passport, never the immigration authorities.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3871 times:

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 2):
Visit Eastern Europe too!

That would require new visa, though.

I think you should decide which countries you want to visit first, and if you are more keen to visit cities or see nature. Three is indeed a good number, and it would probably be a good idea to pick one Mediterranean and one Scandinavian country in addition to France, although getting to Norway or Sweden could be a hassle.

Some suggestions:

Paris
Rome
Barcelona
Berlin

Norway: Fjords
France: Alsace or Provence
Italy Tuscany or Amalfi Coast



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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3867 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 4):
Make sure you know which countries are in Schengen.
The United Kingdom is NOT.
Neither are Norway or Switzerland, they are not in the EU.
Some Eastern European countries are, but some are not. Poland isn't for sure.
If you stay inside Schengen, you don't need to show your passport (except to check in staff as ID!)

Hey thanks i am aware of that.. luckily i have a UK visa... but i have been there many times and nayways we are really interested in the rest of europe.

I have a relative in Tenerife, but cant seem to find many flights from Paris to Tenerife, we will be primarily be using LCC's because anything else is just too expensive.

I was thinking about visiting Paris (for sure as thats are point of entry), Amsterdam, Rome or Venice and lets see if this tenerife thing works out.

I am plenty excited, as we are getting a kick ass fare on EK roughly 720$ return from DEL to CDG.

The problem is deciding where to go in Europe.... lol

Thanks for your information please send me as much as you can.

many warm regards
nitin



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 4):
Neither are Norway or Switzerland, they are not in the EU.

Norway is in Schengen as is Iceland. Switzerland will join Schengen hopefully in 2007, but perhaps in 2008. (Political decision has been made, some challenges implementing due to IT/Computer problems)

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 4):
Some Eastern European countries are, but some are not. Poland isn't for sure.

Not yet - same implementation problems.

See implementation under this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_treaty with a list of members


User currently offlineMax777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Thread starter):
Anyone done this trip before? I need some help! And can anyone recommend good places to stay in Paris and Rome which are like clear and yet dirt cheap?

for the flights you may do what follows :

check on expedia what airlines serves the cities of interest
check in the destination airports if there are others (usually low costs)
then book directly with them (as sooner you pay the ticket online the
cheaper you get)

take care that some low costs serves somehow uncomfortable airports to reach
the cities, but usually are good served with transportation to the city you have to
budget.

For Rome you get the best locations with bed&breakfasts. Some are not that
cheap but really steps from the interesting places, although some hotel fares are
not that bad at all. Google helps you a lot for this, they are very well highlighted.


Remember to throw the coin backwards in the Trevi fountain when you're there !


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2976 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3821 times:

in my eyes the most beautiful cities in Europe are

BCN
LIS
VLC
CDG
VIE
VCE
TXL
AMS

check out the LCC's such as Easyjet, Vueling, Clickair, Ryanair, Germanwings as well as the main carriers like LH, IB, TP, AZ, AF, KL. Sometime they have also very cheap fares between Europe.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4010 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 7):
Norway is in Schengen as is Iceland

OK, thanks for the link. I have been travelling from ARN to OSL for years. I had noticed that the immigration desks were unmanned nowadays, but never really thought why. In the old days of the Nordic Union, you just waved your ARN boarding pass at them and they let you through.

[Edited 2007-04-20 13:05:18]

User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 4):
Neither are Norway

Actually, Norway implemented the agreement in 2001. Switzerland hopefully later this year or in 2008.

Thanks
Alex


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4010 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 3801 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 6):
I have a relative in Tenerife, but cant seem to find many flights from Paris to Tenerife,

There are not many scheduled flight to the Canary Islands. Most people go on charters. The problem for the LCCs is that they are a long flight, and the charter operaters sell tickets.

Also, be careful. Tenerife is not in Schengen. These Islands are a bit of a special case.


User currently offlineMUCFLYER From Germany, joined May 2004, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 3777 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 9):
in my eyes the most beautiful cities in Europe are
BCN
LIS
VLC
CDG
VIE
VCE
TXL
AMS

TXL ?? you are kidding, hey ? Interesting ok, but beautiful...? Just the surroundings from Berlin...
Beautiful Major Cities in Germany are Hamburg and Munich i.e.


User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Quote:
Also, be careful. Tenerife is not in Schengen. These Islands are a bit of a special case.

Well, they don't have any sales taxes - however, there are no passport controlls when you are travelling from Schengen countries to the Canary Islands.

Again, I just know about the German charter companies and LCCs, but www.condor.de and www.airberlin.de always offer good fares to holiday locations such as Tenerife.

Quote:
TXL ?? you are kidding, hey ? Interesting ok, but beautiful...? Just the surroundings from Berlin...
Beautiful Major Cities in Germany are Hamburg and Munich i.e.

As a Berliner I have to agree. Berlin is interesting and exciting, but most definitely not beautiful. The most beautiful German city is of course HAM !!!!  Big grin


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2976 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Quoting PA101 (Reply 14):
As a Berliner I have to agree. Berlin is interesting and exciting, but most definitely not beautiful. The most beautiful German city is of course HAM !!!!



Quoting MUCFLYER (Reply 13):

TXL ?? you are kidding, hey ? Interesting ok, but beautiful...? Just the surroundings from Berlin...
Beautiful Major Cities in Germany are Hamburg and Munich i.e.

this was what I wanted to mention. Ok not that beautiful, but I like the city for it 'flair'  Smile


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 9):

Oh right, how could I forget Vienna and Amsterdam.

Quoting MUCFLYER (Reply 13):
Interesting ok, but beautiful...?

I confess that large parts of the city are ugly, but yes, there are beautiful spots as well, such as Prenzlauer Berg. Big grin



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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

lot's of tourists like Amsterdam, Lots of musea, strange people, nice buildings, and ofcourse cofeeshops and Ajax  Wink

User currently offlineChinaClipper40 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 169 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Along with all the cities and regions mentioned in previous posts, I would recommend Granada, Spain and Zermatt, Switzerland. The Alhambra in Granada is beyond beautiful, and the culture and ambiance of southern Spain (Andalucia) are different enough from the rest of Spain to warrant a few days. The high alpine country surrounding Zermatt is breathtaking (take the Gornergratt Bahn cog railway up to the top) and the skiing in mid-summer are extraordinary. There are no roads or flights into Zermatt; the only access is from the villages of Brig or Visp (accessible via the Swiss national railways), via the Furka-Oberalp-Bahn cog railway.

ChinaClipper40


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 6):
I was thinking about visiting Paris (for sure as thats are point of entry), Amsterdam, Rome or Venice and lets see if this tenerife thing works out.

Rome and Venice should both be done, as they're both very beautiful places. You only need about a day or two to visit Venice, and its about a 5 hour train journey by Eurostar Italia or TrenItalia, and fares are comparative to airlines. ( about 35 euros, or about 2000 rupees)

As others have mentioned, Ryanair, Easyjet and Air Berlin are all great options.

Italy and Spain are my favourite countries, and i feel they shouldn't be missed.

As for Cheap places, there are tons of Hostels available with really cheap fares. In Italy, most train stations have a place from where you can book last minute hotel rooms.

Good Luck and have fun.


User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

I would highly suggest you check out the overnight trains. You will have additional time for touring during the day, and I believe that you'll save money when compared to taking a train during the day and thus paying for an extra night in a hotel.

Of course, that would backfire on you if the journey is only 3 hours, since you'd then need to find a hotel in the middle of the night, so I only mean this for a longer journey.

As far as attractions, Bavaria is very pretty, with the mountains, castles, and black forest. And you MUST go to the palace at Versailles. From Paris it is a short train ride (45 min IIRC?) followed by about a 10-minute walk to the palace. I recommend going towards the end of the day, and viewing the gardens BEFORE the inside of the palace, timing it so you will finish up inside the palace just as it is closing. Then you will avoid the horrendous line.

[Edited 2007-04-20 18:15:26]

User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Well, if you intend to go to Tenerife i suggest you combine it with an initial visit to Barcelona
From BCN you can get cheap flights to TFS+TFN on SPANAIR / Air Europa / VUELING / as well as RYANAIR (albeit from Gerona - 1h bus drive from Barcelona city)

For travelling through Europe i suggest to check the resp. networks of LCC´s:

www.vueling.com (based in Barcelona)
www.germanwings.com (based in Cologne but having additional bases elsewhere - Stuttgart/Hamburg/Berlin)
www.airberlin.com (based in Berlin but has additional bases in Germany)
www.condor.de (based at FRA but operates out of some other regions in Germany)
www.tuifly.com (home in Hannover but main bases at Cologne/Stuttgart/Berlin)
www.myair.com (based in Milan-Bergamo)
www.ryanair.com (home in Dublin but many bases all over Europe)
Be aware that many (but not all) Ryanair destinations are at remote locations and ground transportation to your final destination may more than equal the extremely low fares they offer next to the greater amount of time spent for transfers - so check out the options before booking)
www.easyjet.com (home at London-Luton but has several bases all over Europe)
www.jet2.com (small british LCC serving a couple of destinations out of british regional airports)
www.transavia.com (dutch LCC based at Amsterdam)
www.norwegian.no (norwegian LCC based at Oslo)
www.sterling.dk (danish LCC based at Copenhagen serving also holiday destinations like e.g.Tenerife)
www.skyeurope.com (home at Bratislava/Slovakia -1 hr drive to Vienna - and bases at Budapest and Warsaw)
www.wizzair.com (home at Budapest but has also a base at Warsaw)

Next to this here´s a list of the SCHENGEN - member countries:
Norway (although not member of the E.U.)
Finland
Ireland
France
Germany
Belgium
Luxemburg
Netherlands
Italy
Spain
Greece
Malta
--special case-- Switzerland - is not E.U. nor Schengen member so far but recognizes (as far as i know) the Schengen visa - PLEASE CHECK THAT BEFORE YOU BOOK any travel to Switzerland !



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User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Hi there I recomend you include GRX in Spain, The alhambra is very much worth the viist. For Cheap Hotels, try WWW.VENERE.com or .IT I can't remember but they normally have very good prices.


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3069 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting PA101 (Reply 1):
they leave out of Orly though

Orly is closer to the city center anyway, but bad for intercontinental connections.

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 4):
Make sure you know which countries are in Schengen.
The United Kingdom is NOT.
Neither are Norway or Switzerland, they are not in the EU.

EU and Schengen are very different.

The west-coast of Norway is beautiful and worth going. But, there are much less connections there making it expensive. Also, Norway is one of the worlds most expensive countries, the capital came in as number 1 or 2 in the last survey. Hotels there are EXTREMELY expensive.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineTAP1972 From Portugal, joined Dec 2003, 396 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting MHG (Reply 21):
Next to this here´s a list of the SCHENGEN - member countries:
Norway (although not member of the E.U.)
Finland
Ireland
France
Germany
Belgium
Luxemburg
Netherlands
Italy
Spain
Greece
Malta
--special case-- Switzerland - is not E.U. nor Schengen member so far but recognizes (as far as i know) the Schengen visa - PLEASE CHECK THAT BEFORE YOU BOOK any travel to Switzerland !

Just a remark, Portugal is a Schengen member country as well


25 Post contains images MHG : Soooorrrry! Of course Portugal was missing in my list...
26 CXA330300 : How about sticking with two countries: France and Portugal. To go from CDG to LIS you can fly easyJet, and within France and Portugal, the railways.
27 Post contains links ExFATboy : I just set up an European vacation for September, and initially found it difficult to try to figure out which European LCCs fly where. Here's a couple
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