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BA Or VS Or NZ Premium Economy SYD To LHR  
User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7657 times:

Hi all,

Which would you take? And why?

Choices between BA, Virgin and NZ (via LAX)

Ive flown BA's Y+ twice and enjoyed it but am leaning towards Virgin or NZ....

Any big plus' of flying these over BA?

Thanks in advance

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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

Virgin definantly, they pioneered it, and seem the most interested to win premium Y passengers (therefore they will probably be the best). Also, you'd rather transfer through Hong Kong than through AKL and LAX.

However, I havn't flown any of these carriers in Y+ before.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7622 times:

Flew Virgin's Premium Economy (and Upper Class) in February and would deffinately recommend them.

Mark



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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

NZ over VS or BA anyday. I've flown the Premium Economy product on all three between LAX and LHR, and NZ wins hands down.

User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7209 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7612 times:

NZ U Class now has Business Class meals & Drinks and noise canceling headphones.

User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7606 times:

cool thanks - meals are number 2 for me.

no, 1 is seat comfort and room - more about sideways room then length but extra legroom is good - but I think theyre all at 38" ???

no. 2 is food

no. 3 is entertainment.

So would VS still be tops? I just don't wanna end up ont he upper deck or NZ in the 3-2 config on the LHS!


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

I'd still go with NZ. I wasn't impressed at all by the VS width of seat, so that leaves BA and NZ, and NZ have the better all round experience...good room width and length, good food, AVOD...still NZ.

User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2869 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

I say VS, they usually always offer a pretty superior service wherever they fly to


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User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7209 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7583 times:

Quoting Ansett767 (Reply 5):
I just don't wanna end up ont he upper deck or NZ in the 3-2 config on the LHS!

So travel on the bottom deck in the 2-across configuration. As TG992 said the other day, the bottom deck is very popular for the bizjet feel.. NZ U class is 39-40" on board the 744 I believe. My feeling is that the NZ AVOD is very good compared to many carriers. I have only ever sat upstairs in U class, and I really enjoyed the experience.

The issue for you is more do you want to transit AKL and travel transtasman on NZ or take direct out of Oz?


User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7582 times:

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 8):
The issue for you is more do you want to transit AKL and travel transtasman on NZ or take direct out of Oz?

Either is fine, if it was a problem I would have listed a criteria so it doesn't matter for me. Don't mind the extra few hours spent trans tasman or at Auckland airport.

Thanks for your suggestions though.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7578 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
Virgin definantly, they pioneered it, and seem the most interested to win premium Y passengers

Sorry but you are wrong - BA pioneered World Traveller Plus before Virgin copied them and rolled out Premium Economy in February 2000. At that time BA was already operating World Traveller Plus on flights to Australia - Virgin Atlantic's first flight to SYD did not even take off until 7 December 2004. By this time BA World Traveller Plus had been operating for nearly four years, and airlines like United, All Nippon and SAS all had a separate enhanced economy cabin on the majority of their long-haul flights.

It is debatable whether or not Premium Economy/World Traveller Plus etc were themselves innovative, as in the 1980s some airlines did offer a separate economy cabin for those passengers who had paid the full fare. One such airline was British Caledonian, who not only offered a separate cabin with wider seats offering more legroom, but also a superior service and use of dedicated executive lounge at LGW, their main hub.



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User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1383 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7563 times:
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Id recommend VS PE.
Here's a great mini site about their new improved cabin:
http://www.alotmorespace.com/

Quoting BCAL (Reply 10):
Sorry but you are wrong - BA pioneered World Traveller Plus before Virgin copied them and rolled out Premium Economy in February 2000.

Hmm, Im going to have to disagree with you again BCAL,
VS did roll out a Premium Economy service before BA, however it was not called premium economy. This was rolled out in 1992, as mid class you can read all about it here http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/tridi...economy_fact_sheet_tcm4-426060.pdf

Oh and since when did length of running a route really prove anything.

Have a good flight!

Kev.



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User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7560 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 11):
Id recommend VS PE.
Here's a great mini site about their new improved cabin:
http://www.alotmorespace.com/

OMG that site is awesome!!  Smile


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 11):
Hmm, Im going to have to disagree with you again BCAL

FlyKev we love to disagree but debate is healthy!

Thanks for the link to mid class but my recollection is that BOAC even had a class, situated between First and Economy, on their 707s and VC10s that was generally reserved for frequent flyers and business passengers paying the full fare. It did not offer any improved service (although there might have been a higher ratio of cabin crew members to passengers) but the middle seat could, if unused, be folded down to make a work table and extend the armrests for seats on either side, rather similar to the current seating arrangements for today's Club Europe. Now BOAC disappeared when it became BA and by my reckoning that is ten full years before Virgin Atlantic was founded.

The question really is which airline offered an enhanced economy class with not only dedicated cabin but increased legroom, seat pitch and better catering? To refine the question to deal with the thread is, "Which airline was first to offer it between the UK and Australia?" and much as Virgin would wish to claim the title, unfortunately it was BA who offered World Traveller Plus four years before Virgin entered the route.



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User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7519 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 13):
To refine the question to deal with the thread is, "Which airline was first to offer it between the UK and Australia?" and much as Virgin would wish to claim the title, unfortunately it was BA who offered World Traveller Plus four years before Virgin entered the route.

I think I'm a little confused as to what BA flying to SYD before VS has got to do with anything. Enlighten me.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 14):

Someone (maybe spin from Virgin themselves) claimed somewhere that Virgin was the first airline to offer a Y+ service between the UK and Australia. BA flying to SYD before VS has nothing to do with this, but BA offering World Traveller Plus on the route four years before VS started services proves that WTP was first.



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User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 15):
Someone (maybe spin from Virgin themselves) claimed somewhere that Virgin was the first airline to offer a Y+ service between the UK and Australia. BA flying to SYD before VS has nothing to do with this, but BA offering World Traveller Plus on the route four years before VS started services proves that WTP was first.

You are correct in that BA were the first to offer the Premium service on the LHR-SYD route. If Virgin introduced Premium when they started the SYD route, you would also be right, but they didn't, VS offered Premium way before flying to SYD, so your statement doesn't really prove anything.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3185 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7473 times:

I would choose the flight on frequent flier allegiance.. I would probably go with BA. NZ is too long to go the wrong way.


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