YYZ757FAN From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 92 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5694 times:
The Flagship Detroit group are offering 1 hour sight seeing tours on their 1937 era American Airlines DC-3 from Toronto Pearson International Airport (YYZ) on June 14th. I am booked on one of the flights and am very excited about the prospect of flying in a 70 year old airplane. I was wondering if anyone on a-net has flown on this aircraft and can advise on what the experience was like, what to expect etc.
A LOT of noise from those engines on the ground and in flight, probably more turbulence than you're used to in jets, since the altitude is much lower, a surprisingly quick change in attitude from three point to tail wheel up on takeoff as the tail comes up, a fairly short take off roll due to the efficiency of the wing, and supreme elation as you realize that you're joining an elite group of passengers, the goony bird flyers club. Enjoy!
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5564 times:
Did I miss something here, in the last year? What is this all about? I thought the Flagship Knoxville was the only DC-3 in AA's colors. Can someone please fill me in on the Flagship Detroit story?
Thanks and regards.
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N757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 431 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5382 times:
I have been on 2 DC-3 flights with Aero Virgin Islands in 1985 between SJU-STT. They were noisy and had these sort of bench seats in 2-2 configuration. But it was great to actually fly on a DC-3 in passenger service. If you get a chance I would do it. Especially if the interior is more like it the original.
I would love to fly on DL's DC-3. The folks that rebuilt ship 41 from the various DC-3s did an oustanding job.
Breifly looking at the Detroit Flagship site, it would be worth paying the $100 donation to fly on a positioning flight. Not sure my wife would want me to spend it on a flight.
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OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5305 times:
I have also had the honor of riding on Delta's Ship 41 restored DC-3. It is the first DC-3 to carry revenue passengers for Delta. It was quite the experience.
If you are flying on a "true" AA DC-3, your experience will be different, as AA was the only operator to request that their DC-3's be made with the passenger door on the right side of the airplane. Other than that, it should be similar to any other DC-3 flight some have taken. On Ship 41, EVERYTHING was just the way it was when it entered service. Whatever couldn't be salvaged was fabricated. The seats are the same size, style and color, seatbelts have the '40's era Delta winged logo, and even the cockpit is the same. The radios are hidden away as to not "spoil" the authentic look. The flight I took was from JAX-TLH back in 2002 on a barnstorming tour of the aircraft by Delta throughout the South. It seemed to be the star of the show sitting at the end of Concourse B for all to see. Pilots from other airlines were coming over to check her out between flights, and it seemed every Delta flight that taxied by stopped for a few seconds with lots of faces in the windows. I'm sure that onboard you could hear, "And if you look out the left side of the airplane, you will see..."
I got the chance to fly on it the next morning as it made the hop over to TLH, and I would just hop on a US Airways Express B1900 back over. DL has a truck that follows the DC-3 everywhere that carries the walkway and ground equipment for the airplane. As we flew west at about 3,000 feet, the pilots kept peering over the nose, looking down at Interstate 10. I asked them what they were looking for, to which they replied, "We're looking for the truck, otherwise we'll have a hard time when we get to TLH." Well, the truck beat us, astonishingly.
As for the ride, I took the option to sit right on the wing by the engine. Not as noisy as I expected, but gave me goosebumps to see those big engines cough and sputter white smoke on starting. We taxied to the end of the runway and as we started down, you could feel the tail slowly lift up, and very gently, the aircraft floated into the air. The engines eventually settled into a cool growl that was somewhat relaxing. One interesting fact, you can stand in the rear of the airplane and feel the back of it slowly fishtail in the slipstream. On landing, there was a smooth bump, and the airplane kept her tail up for most of the landing roll. Almost to the very end, she finally settled down her tail with another small bump. It's an experience to be sitting on a plane taxiing while your sitting at such a steep nose up angle.
As I exited the airplane, I had to remove the white gloves and booties I was wearing(required wear for flying Ship 41 to preserve her), as the mechanics(wearing circa 1940's uniforms) immediately took their place under the wings wiping the oil off the shiny aluminum skin. They later took the TLH station crew up for a spin before I headed back to JAX. From what I hear, even though the retired DL pilots flying her have many, many hours on her, she blew a tire landing in ATL and had to be towed back to the Delta Heritage Museum Hangar. Somewhat scary thought, but all was handled with safety and professionalism.
Great ride, and I hope yours goes the same way. As said above, hopefully you will get a ride as nice as Delta's Ship 41.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5181 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8): I flew on AA DC-3s as a kid in the Carribean. Fun experience. Have a good time!
Based on your age group in your user profile, how did you manage to do that? AA retired their last DC-3s from scheduled service well over 40 years ago, and AA didn't serve any points in the Caribbean when they were still operating DC-3s.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21314 posts, RR: 60 Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5037 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9): Based on your age group in your user profile, how did you manage to do that? AA retired their last DC-3s from scheduled service well over 40 years ago, and AA didn't serve any points in the Caribbean when they were still operating DC-3s.
It was a subsidiary/partner in the Caribbean, not AA directly. And then we connected in SJU back to JFK on AA. We flew on a lot of cool metal on that sector, including a plane I don't know the name of, but it looked like a flying boxcar. And there were also some flights that did a NYC-STT-St. Croix-NYC triangle with a 727, IIRC, because St. Croix was flat and had a longer runway.
Later, when the St. Thomas runway was extended and they ripped apart the mountain (both to prevent more fatal accidents) there were direct STT flights from the New York area, and we missed out on those short short hops.
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N757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 431 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4948 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13): It was a subsidiary/partner in the Caribbean, not AA directly
Sounds like Aero Virgin Islands. I have a picture of the STT ramp in 1985 with a Pan Am A310 (I think, I will need to find the picture), American B727, and some other small aircraft. The terminal was a big quanset hut style building.
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Spikebe90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 29 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4907 times:
American has a DC-3 located in the American Airlines museum in Dallas. Door on the Right side,Wright engines,the whole deal. What made it really nice for me was that I used to fly this airplane out of Hilton Head S.C. on a mosquito spraying contract well before it was restored. When I was in Dallas,the museum people let me look inside and it still smelled of Malathion.