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AA Vs. UA At ORD  
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5730 times:

What is the future of both carriers at ORD? Will UA continue to remain #1 or will AA eventually overtake them?

I was also wondering if anyone had any information on the market share at ORD with reguards to AA and UA. Any information would be super!!!


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User currently offline747MegaTop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

Does anybody have any idea if UA is planning any major expansions into India? In the past couple of years AA, DL &CO have launched non stops. NWA almost launched a one stop to Bangalore but shelved it.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

Quoting 747MegaTop (Reply 1):
Does anybody have any idea if UA is planning any major expansions into India? In the past couple of years AA, DL &CO have launched non stops. NWA almost launched a one stop to Bangalore but shelved it.

UAL should try to find right aircraft to launch India flights from San Francisco, especially to Bangalore.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
UAL should try to find right aircraft to launch India flights from San Francisco, especially to Bangalore.

..the would have to either get some B787's or -200LR's...or they can route it via NRT with the current B777's they have...but I don't see that happening anytime soon.. no 



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Back to the main topic, UAL I think (including express) runs about 630 daily flights out of ORD while AA (including Eagle) has about 500 daily flights, so unless UA would cut back or AA would add, UAL will probably remain #1. They (UA) also have the advantage of having express flights on the CR7's and E70's that have first class cabins, something that AAEagle does not have. However, IIRC, I think AA is fairly close behind in terms of market share, it seems like they are fairly even in the market, UA just has a slight edge.

User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

From the looks of it when I fly into ORD, UA has significantly more market share that AA does. But that might be because I always fly UA into ORD.

Still, it seems like I never see as many AA planes as UA planes at any time I've flown through ORD.


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4996 times:

FWIW, on a previous thread, (where actual stastics were used) AA and UAL were almost tied for share of CHI O&D traffic, while UAL had significantly more connecting pax.


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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 4):
on the CR7's and E70's that have first class cabins

E+ is hardly first class...


User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4981 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 7):
E+ is hardly first class...

You mean explus  Wink

And trust me I'd rather be sitting in first class on a 170 than stuck in any seat on a -200.

XJR



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 4):
Back to the main topic, UAL I think (including express) runs about 630 daily flights out of ORD while AA (including Eagle) has about 500 daily flights, so unless UA would cut back or AA would add, UAL will probably remain #1.

Keep in mind that ORD is numero uno for UA, while the same status applies to DFW in AA's world. As DEN is a secondary hub for UA, so it is for ORD and AA. If AA sees and opportunity to gain on or surpass UA at ORD in a way that makes sen$e, they would probably not hesitate to do so, although ORD will likely remain a secondary priority to AA relative to the paramount importance of DFW in AA's big picture strategy.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 6):
FWIW, on a previous thread, (where actual stastics were used) AA and UAL were almost tied for share of CHI O&D traffic, while UAL had significantly more connecting pax.

I think UA has always had more more flights at ORD. UA carries more international traffic at ORD.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 9):
Keep in mind that ORD is numero uno for UA, while the same status applies to DFW in AA's world. As DEN is a secondary hub for UA, so it is for ORD and AA. If AA sees and opportunity to gain on or surpass UA at ORD in a way that makes sen$e, they would probably not hesitate to do so, although ORD will likely remain a secondary priority to AA relative to the paramount importance of DFW in AA's big picture strategy.

This is true but I would think mostly for total number of flights. DFW definately has more flight that ORD for AA, but ORD has many more international destinations for AA. As for UA, I think its both. ORD has the most international destinations and most number of flights for UA. ORD is definately the most important hub for UA and it seems that UA has the most amount of traffic at ORD (international and domestic). The big difference is that AA favors ORD for new international routes where as UA sometimes will favor IAD for new service over ORD.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 7):
E+ is hardly first class...

Explus 170s and CR7s have both E+ and F.



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

UA is larger, after all the airline is based in Chicago. But AA still has a massive hub at ORD and routes that UA does not. For instance, ORD-TUS, which I take at least twice a year.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 12):
UA is larger, after all the airline is based in Chicago. But AA still has a massive hub at ORD and routes that UA does not. For instance, ORD-TUS, which I take at least twice a year.

Both airlines serve destinations that the others dont.

AA also serves ELP, PSP, BTR, BRU, FCO, DUB, SNN, HSV, RNO, JAN, CHA, JFK, and MAN (to name a few) from ORD which UA doesnt.

But UA serves SMF, OAK, YYC, YVR, YWG, HKG, PEK, AMS, MUC, GEG, BOI, BIL, ANC, GRU, and FAR (to name a few) from ORD which AA doesnt.

I think UA serves more destinations from ORD, but im not 100%.



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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

From the BTS:

UA: 45% share (including SkyWest and Mesa)
AA: 39% share (including American Eagle)

As for me, I'd personally pick AA at ORD, but UA's HQ are there, so it's not surprising they have more flights (then again, ATA's HQ are at IND, and yet IND is not an ATA destination. So it isn't a foolproof argument, but it works in this case).


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 13):
Both airlines serve destinations that the others dont.



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 13):
I think UA serves more destinations from ORD, but im not 100%.

I know, I've walked through their terminals many times. Both have always had a strong presence at ORD. UA has more domestic routing with the "express" flights included. AA has more mainline service on average. Additonal UA routes, such as BIL, bump the numbers up during the summer, but are often seasonal. AA's tend to be year round.



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 3):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
UAL should try to find right aircraft to launch India flights from San Francisco, especially to Bangalore.


..the would have to either get some B787's or -200LR's...or they can route it via NRT with the current B777's they have...but I don't see that happening anytime soon..

Is there any chance the 'round the world flight could make its way back, do you know (UA 1 and UA 2)?

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 4):
UAL I think (including express) runs about 630 daily flights out of ORD while AA (including Eagle) has about 500 daily flights



Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 6):
FWIW, on a previous thread, (where actual stastics were used) AA and UAL were almost tied for share of CHI O&D traffic, while UAL had significantly more connecting pax.



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 15):
AA has more mainline service on average

The last 3 quotes tell me that a/c on the gates for UA at ORD tend to sit longer - if AA has only 130 fewer flights, but UA has more pax, that tells me that AA is exercising greater gate utilization. UA, IIRC, has a much higher number of gates (31 on C, 22 on B, 14 on F - with extra parking spots at a few of these gates) compared to what AA has - and I need help on the exact number, but I know that G has all Eagle flights and H and J (where the concourse looks like a Y from above) is all mainline. I just remember their mainline concourse looked about as big as B concourse did for UA.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 12):
But AA still has a massive hub at ORD and routes that UA does not.

When I worked at O'Hare for 2 different express carriers, it didn't make sense (to me, at least) why UA wouldn't do the ORD-HNL nonstop (that I heard they used to do) while AA had at least 1 flight on that route.  banghead 

Shortly after I left ORD, UA picked up that route. Took 'em long enough!


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