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Delta 767-300 Domestic Vs American A300  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12641 times:

I have previously done a poll on Delta's domestic 767-400 vs American's A300. To my suprise, the 767-400 won in the poll. I wouldn't have expected that, as the FC section on the domestic 767-400s is often criticized for lack of space. I guess that the simple reason was because the 767-400 is newer and has a nicer interior.

I think a more fair comparison would be against Delta's domestic 767-300s. Delta's domestic 767-300s are in fact older than AA's A300s. However, some of them now feature new wallpaper, PSUs, and leather seat covers. I personally prefer Delta's domestic 767-300s, not just because it is Delta or because it is Boeing, but Delta has keep their interiors on them in better shape than what AA has kept their A300s in. While the seats are shorter than on Delta's other aircraft, I still found them to be quite comfortable. My only beef with them is the old IFE, but soon they slated to get all-new seats (possibly with winged headrests) and new IFE with AVOD and satellite TV after the summer season.

Does anyone have their own opinion?


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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2353 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 12598 times:

While I recognize that the AA A300's are not in the best condition cabin wise, A300's are novelty in the US and will be gone for sooner than the 763's. For that reason I would take an AA A300 over a DL 763 if a route I would be flying had both as options.

As a sidenote, while the oldest DL 763 is older than the AA A300 fleet, DL has some 763's that are far newer than the Airbuses. On average, the A300's are probably a little older.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12584 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 1):
As a sidenote, while the oldest DL 763 is older than the AA A300 fleet, DL has some 763's that are far newer than the Airbuses. On average, the A300's are probably a little older.

Well, Delta's newest 767-300s are 767-300ERs on international routes. Delta did have eight 767-300ERs in domestic configuration, but they have all been converted to international.



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User currently offlineCurticool From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12564 times:

I would prefer the
DL 763 any day over AA's A300's
-Curticool Big grin


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12554 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 1):
AA A300's are not in the best condition cabin wise

This is largely because of the routes that they're used on. AA uses their A300's on routes from JFK and MIA to the Carribean region (as well as from MCO to MIA and SJU), which are leisure-oriented routes. The planes are chocked full of native Carribean islanders and low-yield tourists who simply cause more wear and tear over time on a plane than biz passengers. But DL's domestic 763's are also used on some routes like these, such as ATL-MCO, TPA, and FLL. Plus AA doesn't care about updating the A300's since they'll be out of the fleet soon, although they did replace the seats about 2 or 3 years ago. They look better than they did about 3 or 4 years ago when they had the dated, 1980's style seats.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12546 times:

Quoting 747fan (Reply 4):
This is largely because of the routes that they're used on. AA uses their A300's on routes from JFK and MIA to the Carribean region (as well as from MCO to MIA and SJU), which are leisure-oriented routes. The planes are chocked full of native Carribean islanders and low-yield tourists who simply cause more wear and tear over time on a plane than biz passengers. But DL's domestic 763's are also used on some routes like these, such as ATL-MCO, TPA, and FLL. Plus AA doesn't care about updating the A300's since they'll be out of the fleet soon, although they did replace the seats about 2 or 3 years ago. They look better than they did about 3 or 4 years ago when they had the dated, 1980's style seats.

Why don't the seats feature winged headrests then? When AA updated the seats on their aircraft, all aircraft except for the 757s and A300s have them. The seats on the 757s were not actually replaced, they simply got new cloth. I thought the A300s were the same way, but I guess I could be wrong. The 757s are now finally slated to get new seats, but not the A300s.

On most of Delta's domestic 767-300s (except for the four P&W-powered ones), the seats are not as tall as on most of Delta's other aircraft. In fact, they are too short to fit PTVs:


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Some of the domestic 767-300s have gotten the leather seat updates, but I don't think that Delta is currently updating any of them, as they are slated to get all-new taller slimline seats that can fit PTVs. It has been rumored that the seats may feature winged headrests, but either way, they should be more comfortable than the current seats on them.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7615 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12530 times:

I would rather fly in a tin can than AA's A300s. I love the 767-400, its one of my favorite planes!!! So the choice would be obvious to me!


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12524 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
I would rather fly in a tin can than AA's A300s. I love the 767-400, its one of my favorite planes!!! So the choice would be obvious to me!

This thread is AA's A300s vs Delta's domestic 767-300s. I have done a previous poll on the AA A300 vs DL 767-400, and the 767-400 won. Either way, it looks like you dislike AA's A300s.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7615 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12523 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
This thread is AA's A300s vs Delta's domestic 767-300s. I have done a previous poll on the AA A300 vs DL 767-400, and the 767-400 won. Either way, it looks like you dislike AA's A300s.

Then the answer is that I would rather fly on DL's domestic 767-300. I have flown on both and much prefer it.  Smile



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12468 times:

I actually meant seat covers, not actual seats in my previous post. The A300's and 757's had the '80's-style seat covers recently but were updated over the past couple of years, so the seats now look like the rest of AA's fleet. The A300's won't be getting the new actual seats since they'll be retired once their leases are up.

User currently offlineRlorenzo24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12360 times:

The A300 is AA's workhorse to the caribbean. No other plane in the fleet can pack them in, right along with their kitchen sinks and oversized carry on bags than this a/c. The overhead bins are tall and roomy and the schedules to the islands are varied and offer lots of choices. No other american carrier has an a/c that can compete with this one when it comes to serving this market. Both natives and tourists choose AA to the caribbean only because their competitors can't offer the space for their extra large carry on bags. The 763 and 764 just don't offer the space.

User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

DL 767-300, just by default, because I haven't flown on the A300. One thing that impressed me was how high the ceilings were in the 763 though. Neat aircraft.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12343 times:

Quoting Rlorenzo24 (Reply 10):
The 763 and 764 just don't offer the space.

The 767-400 features 777-style overhead pivot bins, which are currently the largest in the industry, however, that will soon be surpassed by the 787, which features even larger overhead bins. Most of the newest 767-200s, 767-300s, and 747-400s (including the 747-400ER) also feature 777-style overhead bins. However, Delta's newest 767-300ERs for some reason still feature the old-style overhead bins.

Also, for 767s with the old style overhead bins, there are mods available to increase their capacity as well as modernizing them. I don't think such mods exist for the A300. Boeing offers the 767 Enhanced Interior, which is featured on First Choice. Heath Tecna offers three different mods for the 767 - Refresh, Extended, and Pivot bin upgrades.



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12315 times:

I know it was a one off freak accident but I'd feel safer on a Delta 767 then an American A300. Even with some minor turbulence I'd be thinking about the possibility of the tail snapping off.
Also I think Delta offers more service (free snacks etc) then American on a typical route.



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12306 times:

Even w/ the boxy old-style overhead bins on the 767's, the cabin still feels relatively open. I've never flown on an A300 before, but judging by photos, it seems like the 763 has a more open cabin. Though people on this site like to complain about the old-style bins, they still seem amply large.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

Quoting 747fan (Reply 14):
Even w/ the boxy old-style overhead bins on the 767's, the cabin still feels relatively open. I've never flown on an A300 before, but judging by photos, it seems like the 763 has a more open cabin. Though people on this site like to complain about the old-style bins, they still seem amply large.

I have been told by a few Delta insiders that Delta is looking into some overhead bin mods for the 767-300ERs. I don't know whether the domestic 767-300s are also being considered or not, but either way, it would be a welcome addition. I especially would like to see pivot bins like on the 777s and 767-400s rather than conventional-style shelf bins. AA is installing 777-style bins on their 767s, but only in the front of the aircraft. Heath Tecna also offers a pivot bin retrofit package.

At least Delta has replaced the old PSUs with new ones featuring brighter reading lights. I also like the fluorescent No Smoking/Fasten Seat Belt and symbolic (i.e., with the illumnating red X when occupied) lavatory signs.

[Edited 2007-07-27 16:35:49]

[Edited 2007-07-27 16:37:17]


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