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My First Flight On A BAe 146  
User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 719 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Hi everybody,

This Thursday I am taking my first flight on a BAe 146. Will be flight AF 5038 CDG-FLR. I am very excited as I have never been to that airport and its short runway either.

Any cool things you guys want to share with me on this aircraft? Are there any windowless seats I should avoid? any info will be appreciated.


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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7124 times:
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one thing i'd suggest is, if you want a view,sit either in front of or behind the wing, otherwise you won't see much of anything. other than that, i really liked the 146, i flew them quite a bit in college. compared to the standard RJs, they're very roomy inside, tall enough that you can actually stand up without hitting your head. they're also wide enough that they seem bigger than they actually are. Finally, they are noisy inside, thanks to the proximity of the engines to the fuselage. those four small engines combine together to produce quite a roar inside.

I'm sorry to say that the 146 is a disappearing breed, so enjoy them while you can.



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User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

And that sound of the flaps is a big roar as well...

Matt



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7084 times:

Try to sit as far in front or in the back as possible, as the center seat rows will have the outside view blocked by the engines.


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5001 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Reply 2):
And that sound of the flaps is a big roar as well...

Matt

Yes, the flaps bring on an awesome sound. I love flying on the 146, and it is by far one of my favorite birds. I prefer sitting further back, as it gives you a good view of everything. I did not find them to be too noisy, but much different sounding than the average plane. The 146 is becoming very rare here in the US, and I will do one last flight on one before I die. I wish someone would bring them back into production.

What is going on with AVRO? Is anyone going to try to keep them going?



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User currently offlineAvion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

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Try to sit as far in front or in the back as possible, as the center seat rows will have the outside view blocked by the engines.

Agreed, although it's strange whilst still on the ground...poor view through the windows, but watch those wings lift upon take off! Great view after that. Over the years I've flown on Bae 146 from Lan Chile, Dan air, and Debonair... sadly no one and nothing is flying with the last two anymore and LA's 146's are long gone too!

Have a great trip.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6863 times:

Still lots of 146's in service in Germany with Eurowings, with some flights also serving the neighboring countries, so if you are looking for an inexpensive chance to get on BAe's original Quadjet, yout might want to check out Lufthansa (return flights starting at about 99 Euro incl. Taxes).


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

Great plane (I'm lucky enough to have had 70+ flights on various models) but it's a shame that your first experience will be a cramped 6-abreast one. At 5-abreast it's a completely different story. Still, enjoy it!

User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting Ogre727 (Thread starter):

Any cool things you guys want to share with me on this aircraft?

I personally love the 146s/Avros. But only in the 5-abreast config! As PM said, in a 6-abreast config they are appalling.

Something to keep in mind is that the overhead bins under the wing are considerably shorter than the rest.

Tony



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User currently offlineStrathpeffer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6773 times:

Try and sit about 1/2 to 2/3s of the way back - so you get a good view of the flap mechanisms. They are complex and its not often that you get a chance to see them doing their stuff.

Pay close attention (with your ears) during the final stage of flap retraction and first stage of extension - there is quite a distinctive noise. It often causes panicked glances from those unfamiliar with the 146's foibles!

PJ

Edited to correct awful grammar...

[Edited 2007-07-23 14:51:59]


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7458 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

Does anyone still use them in the US? I used to see XJ's in ROC all the time,even getting a nice pic of one in NW new-colors.


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User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6714 times:

Any comments on the airport in Florence? (short short runway)


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User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6679 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 8):
I personally love the 146s/Avros. But only in the 5-abreast config! As PM said, in a 6-abreast config they are appalling

Agree 100% Tony, the 146 family is far and away my favourite aircraft type. I wouldn't say appalling though for the 6-abreast config; not the greatest I admit, but not the worst out there by a long shot!

Quoting Ogre727 (Thread starter):
Will be flight AF 5038 CDG-FLR

Try sitting up the back if you want to avoid the 6-abreast, the City Jet models go down to 4-abreast as the fuselage tapers in at the back. I had a very nice flight in the back of EI-CNQ (a 146-200) on AF5135 BHX-CDG at the end of last month!

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 10):
Does anyone still use them in the US? I used to see XJ's in ROC all the time,

I don't think so, I just did a quick search in the photo database and didn't come up with any operational birds this year. Most if not all of XJ's RJ85's are coming back across the pond to fly for Air France's City Jet subsidiary and replace their older 146 fleet.

Regards,
Eurohub



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User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6575 times:

Or fly on LX, I think all the birds are 5 abreast now. 6 abreast on a BAE146/RJ100 is cruel and unusual punishment.

If you have hand baggage also avoid (IIRC) rows 7-9 as these are directly under the wing and have very small bins.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6571 times:

Any way you look at it this is a unique and classic airliner.

I've been fortunate enough to fly on 146-100, 146-200, 146-300, RJ85, RJ100 (the RJ70 has so far eluded me) a total of 76 times over 18 years on Dan-Air, Crossair, CityJet, DAT, Swiss and Ansett. I've loved every flight!


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6564 times:

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 13):
Or fly on LX, I think all the birds are 5 abreast now.

Even the ones acquired from BA? Excellent news!


User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 15):
Even the ones acquired from BA? Excellent news!

I think so, I thought I had read on one of the Swiss threads that they had all got the new seats (the thin Recaro ones that LX put on the Airbii). I'll do a search and see .

Apparently the ones that came in straight from BA immediately got the new seats, I've IM'ed Sandro to see what the current status is.

[Edited 2007-07-23 18:14:05]

User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

I flew on British World Airlines BAe 146-300 G-BTNU in the 1990s, MAN-PMI and the return leg 2 weeks later. On the outbound flight, I was sat in the centre, adjacent to the engines. During cruise, a small amount of ice formed on the cabin wall between the windows, which was something I've not seen before or since!

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Other passengers on the flight dubbed the aircraft 'the chicken coop'. It was configured 6-abreast and in high density charter layout, about 115-120 seats. I also remember watching other aircraft overtake us en-route due to the 146's lower cruising speed compared to other jet aircraft.



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User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 16):
Apparently the ones that came in straight from BA immediately got the new seats, I've IM'ed Sandro to see what the current status is.

SandroZRH is pretty sure that the RJs have all been reseated and that they are all 3 + 2.

Thanks


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 16):
I think so, I thought I had read on one of the Swiss threads that they had all got the new seats (the thin Recaro ones that LX put on the Airbii). I'll do a search and see .

I've flown on "Ottenberg" last week, it still got the old seats.



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User currently offlineChinaClipper40 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 11):
Any comments on the airport in Florence? (short short runway)

As you say, it's very short. And the terminal building can get uncomfortably crowded at times. But the airport is right in the city. Flying into it is the smart way to travel to Florence, rather than flying into Pisa and taking the train up into the hill country, as so many people do. If your hotel is anywhere near the Duomo (where most tourist hotels are located), your taxi ride will be very short and cheap. Or, you can take a city bus and save money. The distance is only about 4 km. Enjoy your flight. The BAe-146 is, with its successor AVROs, the most spacious and comfortable regional jet ever built (in the 5-across seating configuration). Oh yes, while in Florence, take a city bus up to Fiesole one evening and have dinner at a restaurant with a terrace or patio overlooking Florence. It's very pretty to watch the sunset, and the lights of Florence twinkling on as dusk settles over the city. Take a jacket, though. Even in summer it gets very cool in the evenings up in Fiesole. And be sure to take in the Basilica of San Lorenzo (center city Florence, near the Duomo). It looks like crap on the outside, because the outer facing of the church was never finished. But the inside is arguably the finest example of pure Renaissance architecture anywhere. Enjoy!

ChinaClipper40


User currently offlineEllehammer From Denmark, joined Jun 2007, 95 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Flew the 146 more often than I can remember, EU charter flights Brussels-Strasbourg mostly. The wing mechanism is very cool indeed, though it doesn't come across as terribly streamlined.

I guess it is built in Canada. Do they still make them?

A fantastic proud history that company has. Whenever I board an AVRO I give a silent thanks to all the boys who flew them in WWII.


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2229 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6343 times:

BAC were built in the UK. I only flew on 146's twice. One was AirBC before it was merged into Jazz. I flew from YEG to YVR in 1A. They had two rows of Executive Class if I remember correctly. It gave a beautiful view of the mountains. I believe we were flying on a relatively low flight level that day too. The second time was on a Jazz flight from YUL to LGA. Very crowded.

BTW if you also sit near the wing the upper baggage bin is quite small due to the wing spars etc. that run across the top of the plane rather than below the floor. So if you have a carry on piece it can be a problem on a full flight.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6312 times:
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Ogre727, pleaes be sure to post a trip report about it.

I flew probably my last flight on a BAe146 last year. A great aircraft and I liked sitting in the first 3 rows, forward of the engine.



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
the center seat rows will have the outside view blocked by the engines.

And the overhead lockers are considerably smaller too. Great view if you can get a window seat at the back.

Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 11):
Any comments on the airport in Florence?

Presumably Peretola with its runway rumoured to be 5,425'. Still Meridiana operates A319s into Florence but I gather that only Captains are allowed to fly the approach. As stated above, terminal is small and can get very congested if more than 3 planes land/depart at the same time. But it is convenient for the city of Florence and most of Tuscany, but flights are generally more expensive than those to Pisa.


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25 ExFATboy : Nope, built in the UK. "BAe" = British Aerospace, although Avro Canada was a subsidiary of one of BAe's predecessor companies. Avro Canada was shut d
26 Viscount724 : Agree, 5-abreast BAe146/Avro RJs like LXs (or those that once operated for a few carriers in Canada and USA) are excellent, but 6-abreast like AF and
27 LHRBFSTrident : short runway, yes, and i was expecting something exciting when i flew into FLR on an LH-branded ARJ last summer - it turned out to be rather a non-ev
28 CV990 : Hi! I flew 3 times on the Avro/BAe 146. First time I had the chance to fly in that nice airplane was with LX from LIS to GVA ( round trip ), HB-IXG, L
29 Baguy : On my AF CityJet flight in April, I think row 6 had no window. BAguy
30 Aviationnut12 : I have flown an RJ85 twice, MSP-DLH and DLH-MSP operated by Mesaba. I thought it was the quietest plane I have flown, even on takeoff with the engines
31 Post contains images Viscount724 : You can often tell when the unusual tail-mounted airbrakes are extended shortly before landing.
32 Post contains images PlymSpotter : It certainly can! In the Philippines Asian Spirit fly the 146-100 into MPH, Caticlan Airport, which supposedly has a usable landing length of 900m, a
33 747fan : The last carrier to use the BAe 146/Avro RJ in the US was Mesaba (NWA Airlink) I believe. I know United Express also used them fairly recently out of
34 DesertAir : I flew the BA-146 often on PSA out of Burbank to Oakland and from LAX to Stockton. Compared to the Current RJs they were great little planes.
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