ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3805 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2873 times:
I'm placing my money on an international carrier being the first, perhaps ANA? Others seem to think a domestic carrier like Northwest will. I don't believe that NW cares about Boston as much as they once did (aside from Amsterdam, there's nothing international).
Thoughts on who will first bring this beauty to Boston?
DLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3529 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2859 times:
I don't think BOS will see any 787s for at least several years. I cannot think of any airlines that have ordered the 787 that will make BOS a priority for service.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3805 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2794 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2): I could imagine an Asian airline coming to Boston with the 787. I think it's a given in due time.
I 100% agree. The 787 was conceived to make 'long & thin' routes (like Boston to ANYWHERE in Asia) economical. But I think the U.S.-based carriers (aside from NW) will see their 787s long after some of the Asian carriers do, which is why I think a foreign carrier will debut the type here. Boston is not JFK, we all realize. But it's still a very vibrant and integral business center for finance and (still) high tech. My sincere hope is that airlines don't simply devote the 787s to already-existing 'premium' routes that can easily be served by 777s. That would NOT stay true to the reason why Boeing came up with the Dreamliner in the first place.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2753 times:
I think it will be CO to have the first B-787 service to/from BOS. It may be connection international service through IAH. NW can do the same thing through DTW.
Then again it also could be DL or AA with B-787-300 service to ATL or DFW, or even across the US to LAX or SFO.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2741 times:
The 787 is tailor-made for service from a city the size of BOS to cities all around the globe. Certainly many European cities are natural candidates, but the 787 can reach anywhere from BOS other than Australia, so a lot of possibilities are opened up.
It helps that two airlines with a major presence in BOS are almost certain to operate the 787.
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RafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 307 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2712 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 5): The 787 is tailor-made for service from a city the size of BOS to cities all around the globe. Certainly many European cities are natural candidates,
Asian cities perhaps due to range, but wouldn't BOS already see 767 service from/to European cities if they could now support a 787?
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3): The 787 was conceived to make 'long & thin' routes
SOOO?????
You do realize that the vast majority of airlines who ordered the 787 got them for replacing 767s, A300s, and 757s.
Most 787 routes will be routes currently served by 767s, A300s, and A330s.
Possibilities for 787 services to Boston are Air Berlin, Icelandair, Northwest, TUI Group, Flyglobespan, and Virgin Atlantic (and of coarse American and Delta. We are pretty sure they will order).
CygnusChicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2606 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 5): The 787 is tailor-made for service from a city the size of BOS to cities all around the globe.
Oh. I thought I've repeatedly read here that the 787 is tailor made for replacing one 747/380 with two 787s, at lower cost and higher frequency which is what everyone wants. How many 747s fly into BOS? Or is this a sudden strategy change?
If you cannot do the math, your opinion means squat!
BY738 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Sep 2000, 1982 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2595 times:
FlyGlobespan must be up there, as they have some of the earliest delivery slots. Though if there recent tranatlantic antics are anything to go by- they might be better putting the 787s to Tenerife.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7991 posts, RR: 27 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
I'd say Virgin or Northwest, seeing as both fly trans-atlantic with smaller equipment already.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3805 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2570 times:
Kaitak, with hundreds and hundreds of these things flying around, the 787 will be commonplace in a decade. My question was who will FIRST use the 787 at Logan. I have no doubt your little list from Air Berlin to TUI Group is a sensible one, although I have not seen enough commitment from the likes of AA and DL at Boston to suggest that they will use the type at Logan...never mind being first to do so. It's a moot point in any event, until and unless either of these carriers ponies up to the bar and actually BUYS 787s.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2548 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8): Possibilities for 787 services to Boston are Air Berlin, Icelandair, Northwest, TUI Group, Flyglobespan, and Virgin Atlantic (and of coarse American and Delta. We are pretty sure they will order).
I doubt FI will ever fly the 787 into BOS. Isn't the 787 to replace their 763s?
Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 9): Oh. I thought I've repeatedly read here that the 787 is tailor made for replacing one 747/380 with two 787s, at lower cost and higher frequency which is what everyone wants. How many 747s fly into BOS? Or is this a sudden strategy change?
Depending on the time of year, on any given day, you could see as many as 6 744s coming into BOS from AF, BA, VS, and LH.
I think it's pretty obvious that BOS, along with other cities, such as MIA, PHL and possibly DEN, will see Asian service within the next 3-4 years thanks to the 787. Of a US carrier, I could see NW starting service, given their location in Terminal E and the Asian network to support feeder service.
Quoting IAD787 (Reply 10): First to fly to Boston with the 787:
Hainan
Have this on very solid authority.
Hainan was supposed to start 3 or 4 weekly non-stop flights BOS-PVG. There is definately some good demand between BOS-China, it was mentioned in article about the potential route that more than 65,000 people a year fly between BOS-PVG and PEK. That number is not including other major Asian cities such as ICN, NRT, KIX, SIN, HKG, etc.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3805 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
Quoting IAD787 (Reply 10): First to fly to Boston with the 787:
Hainan
Have this on very solid authority.
Yes, this was part of the Mayuuh Menino's Big News a year or two ago. But that service was supposed to have started by now (with 787s being used once delivered). But no Hainan anywhere to be seen at Logan, nor is Boston mentioned at all on the airline's web site. Hainan is among the first airlines to get the 787; let's hope (A) that Boston is still on their list and (B) that they choose to use the 787 here. I was thinking ANA because they are among the very first to get 787s (sooner, even, than Hainan) and would have the prestige of being first to open Boston-Japan.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2515 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 15): Yes, this was part of the Mayuuh Menino's Big News a year or two ago. But that service was supposed to have started by now (with 787s being used once delivered). But no Hainan anywhere to be seen at Logan, nor is Boston mentioned at all on the airline's web site. Hainan is among the first airlines to get the 787; let's hope (A) that Boston is still on their list and (B) that they choose to use the 787 here. I was thinking ANA because they are among the very first to get 787s (sooner, even, than Hainan) and would have the prestige of being first to open Boston-Japan.
I know this has been mentioned before and got mixed feelings, but Boston has received a big boost from having Dice-K pitching for us in terms of gaining attention over in Japan. I am not saying that Boston deserves service to Tokyo based on the fact that we have a Japanese pitcher, but it certainly can only help by increasing the numbers of people flying to Boston from Japan. I live in Boston and have seen bus loads of Japanese people touring the city, even on days where Dice-K is not pitching. Boston has gotten a big boost over in Japan and it can only help by increasing traffic.
With that said, I am rather skeptical about NH starting NRT-BOS service as opposed to another airline. That airline would be JL for a couple of reason. First, JL is the largest airline in Asia and would offer BOS passengers connections to every major city in Asia, as well as Japan. Second, JL is part of One World and even though BOS is not as large as it used to be for AA, it could serve as a reliever and get pax who would have otherwise connected through JFK, ORD or DFW.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2502 times:
Quoting B752OS (Reply 14): Depending on the time of year, on any given day, you could see as many as 6 744s coming into BOS from AF, BA, VS, and LH.
No, you'll never find more than three. BA has one daily 744, AF has one daily 744, and LH has four weekly 744s. VS doesn't fly the 744 to Boston. During the slower winter travel months, the only 744 service is Air France's daily flight.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3805 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2449 times:
I think JAL would do marvelous in Boston. Where in the pecking order are they for 787s? Well beyond ANA, which I believe is taking the very first one!
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3805 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
Quoting YULYMX (Reply 19): How about Air Canada? YVR-BOS on a 787
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17): No, you'll never find more than three. BA has one daily 744, AF has one daily 744, and LH has four weekly 744s. VS doesn't fly the 744 to Boston. During the slower winter travel months, the only 744 service is Air France's daily flight.
I must be seeing things then. Also, BA has 2 of the 3 daily flights operating with a 744 during the peak Spring and Summer travel seasons. Even during the winter BA still sends 1 daily 744 to BOS. These changes must be recent because there were times last year when 4 and sometimes 5 744s could be seen at terminal E. I forgot that both LH and AF increase capacity into BOS during the late spring, summer and early fall travel season, as does AZ, FI and EI.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3805 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2394 times:
Although the general feeling is that AC livery is one of the better ones around, so I'd love seeing it at Logan! You can be pretty sure that they'd use the 787 on Asian routes after bouncing it around the short-haul network to get crews familiar with it.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
Quoting B752OS (Reply 22): Also, BA has 2 of the 3 daily flights operating with a 744 during the peak Spring and Summer travel seasons.
This used to be the case, but not anymore. The only 744 flight is BA 212/213. Other two flights are 772s.
Quoting B752OS (Reply 22): Even during the winter BA still sends 1 daily 744 to BOS.
Again, not anymore. All three winter flights are 777s.
When AA reduces BOS-LHR to 1x daily (tentatively set to happen this spring, but not definite yet since it is a daylight flight, and AA is not really sure how a daylight will perform from Miami or Chicago), then BA might make up for loss capacity by going back to the 2x 744/1x 772 schedule.
[Edited 2007-07-24 21:12:45]
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25 HighFlyer9790: For international, VS could be a definate contender. Icelandair has also itself expressed interest in bringing the 787 to BOS. BOS is the perfect mar
26 Mdodd: Huh. Anyone know about any other airports? Which airport will be the first to ultilize the 787 ?
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