Jaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7794 times:
I love aviation and everything about it. Everything from looking at airplanes at the airport, to learning about them, to talking about them. I have to admit though, that its getting harder and harder for me to enjoy a flight. I've always flown coach and I think the only things I enjoy anymore are the take off, landing, and looking out the window if I have a window seat. I usually fly either American or Delta and the service has been rather lacking. Sometimes they give a snack, sometimes not. Sometimes they give a full can of soda, sometimes not. On my last flight what really annoyed me was that when I booked it 2 months in advance I selected a window seat. At the airport I pring my boarding pass and it had me in another seat. The other seat was a middle seat betwen 2 guys. So it made me wonder, if I just lost my seat, what was the point of selecting one in the 1st place? How much do you guys/gals enjoy flying?
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7794 times:
I love flying....but flying coach, I'd rather have a root canal without any pain killers.
Quoting Jaws707 (Thread starter): On my last flight what really annoyed me was that when I booked it 2 months in advance I selected a window seat. At the airport I pring my boarding pass and it had me in another seat. The other seat was a middle seat betwen 2 guys.
I check my flights online about every week just to avoid things like you mentioned......I don't find that on CO I am getting my seat changed too often unless an aircraft changes, then crazy things seem to happen but staying alert for changes keeps things like not getting a seat I want to a minimum.
Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
SK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7761 times:
It really depends from flight to flight. I really enjoyed my AMS-ORD in KL m-class last April, but my last LAX-AMS in KL m-class was a bit of a torture (middle seat, between 2 big, noisy, I-am-complaining-the-whole-trip, Dutch business men).
For flights less than 4 hrs I don't mind m-class at all. For those flights I really don't care what my seat is (pref. window), but not a big deal. Same for in flight. No PTV/Audio needed, I just read a magazine or two and I 'm satisfied with a drink and a small snack (peanuts/cookies).
AerLingus747 From Ireland, joined Apr 2006, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7752 times:
For me it all depends on the length of the flight.Short haul flights are usually ok in economy.When it comes to long haul I cant stand economy.Every time I fly long haul I usually spend the whole flight board and usually tired.To answer your question no I dont like flying economy,which means I will have a fun night and morning to get back to Dublin.
Yflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1083 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7732 times:
As my user name implies, I always fly Economy.
I'm with SK601 -- it really varies from flight to flight. I've had really horrible flights and I've had really great ones. Probably the worst one was a redeye flight in the very back row of a UA 319. Limited recline, no room to streach out, and I was in an aisle seat so nothing to rest my head on, and it was during the holiday season so it was a full flight. I was completely exhausted by the time I reached my destination.
In contrast, I had a really great flight on DL back in May on one of the ex-Song 757s. I had the entire row to myself, which is great because as much as I love looking out the window, I try to get aisle seats on long flights because I usually have to go pee several times. So I had the best of both worlds. I spent the flight alternating between looking out the window and watching the PTV. Also, I really like the choice of snacks Delta now offers.
Bok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7716 times:
Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 8): Unfortunately my next flight is this Saturday with CO.
At least they'll feed you.
I enjoy flying no matter what. On my last flight (HNL-EWR with CO) It was about 3 in the morning Hawaiian time and I couldnt sleep thanks to seatmate waking me up to ask me if I would mind her moving my armrest. I was getting miserable, so I walked up to the lavatory area by doors 3L and R to stretch my legs. I walked over to the tiny window to see if there was anything interesting below. Looking forward I could see one of the coolest sunrises I had ever seen. That is what it is all about.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7691 times:
I quite like economy, I have thought about saving up and going in business/first, but even with enough air-miles to do so, I really don't want to, as they stretch far further and let me see much more of the world when in the back of the cabin. I think the only time I would fly Biz is to fly on a 737BBJ or the A319ACJ - but even so, they are going to be around for a long time and can wait a while.
I've got to say that flying got very boring for me towards the end of last year, during which I might have gone a little 'OTT' in flying 126 sectors. A lot were back and forth between home and university; same route, same aircraft (more often than not even the same registration) - booooring! Instead though I now try to collect rare aircraft types which I find immensely fun - it really puts the enjoyment back into flying for me, partly the challenge of picking the right route and airline combination to get on the 'wanted' plane/airline.
...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25843 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7678 times:
Quoting ANother (Reply 2): What I'd like to know is why Americans call it Coach when the rest of the world calls it Economy?
I think it has origins in railway terminology. The lowest type of passenger seating on US trains (what is usually known as 2nd class in Europe etc.) was always referred to as "coach". I expect the term got picked up by the early airlines and it stuck.
Ironically, long-distance buses in the USA are usually called "bus", while in certain other English speaking countries (e.g. the UK) I believe "coach" is the more usual term, and "bus" usually refers to local city buses.
NG1Fan From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7660 times:
Why do they call it coach in USA? Probably easier to spell correctly....
I fly economy - company policy, unless the routing/timing is such that only business class tickets were available (which frankly occurs rarely). Want to upgrade? I burn miles.
Privately, I also fly economy - I've never actually paid for business class. But sometimes the whole family was upgraded, other times, I burn miles.
Best part about economy: requesting for the seat next to be being blocked. Reminds me: I flew CX many moons ago on my father's Diamond Card. 747 was almost full in Y but I had a whole centre row to myself. Very hard to defend - one had to get horizontal immediately after takeoff.
Economy 'service'? Stick to Asian carriers. Though in Oz, Qantas is very good since they've dumped that stupid lunchbox.
Last time I flew in the USA - I was shocked what passed for 'service'. Best part: FA trawling the aisles towards the end of a flight calling out 'Trash, Trash'.
LHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7648 times:
Quoting ANother (Reply 2): why Americans call it Coach when the rest of the world calls it Economy?
What I'd like to know is why American carriers call it First Class when it clearly isn't...
IIRC KLM introduced the concept of Economy, but originally called it 'Tourist Class' - there are even some long-in-the-tooth ex-BOAC crew at BA referring to M-class as 'Tourist', admittedly with a rather ironic tone of voice
Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 17): Last time I flew in the USA - I was shocked what passed for 'service'. Best part: FA trawling the aisles towards the end of a flight calling out 'Trash, Trash'.
...they won the Cold War just to turn into the USSR...
57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7641 times:
I love flying-just not sharing my ride with 49 other people and putting up with the nonsense involved with it. Given a choice, I will opt to take a private flight over an airline flight whenever possible.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15): I think it has origins in railway terminology. The lowest type of passenger seating on US trains (what is usually known as 2nd class in Europe etc.) was always referred to as "coach". I expect the term got picked up by the early airlines and it stuck.
Coach is a more general term referring to the passenger car itself. It's a holdover from the very early days of passenger train travel when the passenger cars were literally modified stage coach bodies mounted on a larger frame. The actual cars quickly disappeared as the American railroads favored corridore cars over the traditional European style cars that were subdivided into compartments. American railroad most often referred to the most basic passenger accomodations as day coaches or chair cars.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15): Ironically, long-distance buses in the USA are usually called "bus", while in certain other English speaking countries (e.g. the UK) I believe "coach" is the more usual term, and "bus" usually refers to local city buses.
True when you talk about the general public. However, those of us in the trade refer to them as coaches.
"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
Delta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7588 times:
I love flying in general but would rather fly First Class or Business Class. Coach usually doesent bother me unless I'm on a cramjet 737-800. Earliar in the week I was in an exit row on an AA 763 and it was great. When I fly coach I try to get exit row seating. I also flew on an AA 777 in Business Class earliar in the week from DFW-MI and it was great. I never want to fly coach again.