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User currently offlineManc From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Going to Japan in November, Virgin from LHR-NRT, then catching an internal flight from Haneda to Fukuoka.

JAL and ANA both have flights around the time I want to depart. JAL says its a 777 and ANA 744. Looks like the upper deck is available on the ANA 744 for economy?
I'm tempted to go for the upper deck ANA, anyone any experience of either airlines internal flights?

Cheers

Ian


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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

You can buy Y-class on JL and spend another 1000 Yen for upgrade to 'Class J', domestic business class. Maybe that's something nice to think about?

Service level on Japanese domestic sectors would be quite 'basic' on both carriers.



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User currently offlineManc From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

As its only a short flight I maybe tempted to go for the ANA for the experience of a 747-400D as I've been on a 777 before.

Is NRT a good place to transit out of. I've got 5.5hrs in between flights, so should be able to get from NRT to HND with plenty of time and even get some photos!

Also which side of the plane to sit to see Mt Fuji out of the window?

[Edited 2007-09-04 13:09:04]


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User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Get the Narita express to Shinagawa which takes just over an hour. Then change to a local train to haneda. Can't remember the name of the line but the train takes about 20 minutes.

Sit on the right hand side of the plane for views of Fuji on departure from Haneda.


User currently offlineManc From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

good stuff, cheers guys, I've grabbed 82K on the upper deck of the ANA.


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User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting Wheelsatc (Reply 3):
Get the Narita express to Shinagawa which takes just over an hour. Then change to a local train to haneda. Can't remember the name of the line but the train takes about 20 minutes.

The Narita Express to Shinagawa? Is that something new? I knew that NEX stopped at Tokyo, Shibuya and Shinjuku but I had not heard that it stops in Shinagawa.

Both airlines offer the same level of service on domestic. You may find seating cramped, though, but the staff as everywhere in Japan is very curteous and operate by-the-book.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Surprised it hasn't been mentioned, but JAL's suffered some serious lapses in safety (both mechanical and procedural) since the JAS takeover. I wouldn't go anywhere near them for a few years until they've sorted this out.

User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 1):
You can buy Y-class on JL and spend another 1000 Yen

Do you mean 10, 000 Yen ?

Because 1000 Yen is only $8.60 USD , that would be the best upgrade deal in history.

Maybe you mean 100,000 Yen to upgrade to business, which would be $860 USD or 636 Euro ?

Thats a great deal for JAL OR ANA business . Both those are 9,000 USD from JFK-NRT...


User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

Service to Shinagawa has been going a while I think, it continues onto Yokohama as well.

ConcordeBoy - that's a bit of a dramatic over reaction don't you think.


User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 6):
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned, but JAL's suffered some serious lapses in safety (both mechanical and procedural) since the JAS takeover. I wouldn't go anywhere near them for a few years until they've sorted this out.

JL is okay. I flew on them last year and they seemed just as safe as before, the same as other carriers.

If you want to hold their lapses against them, then with that attitude you shouldn't fly any carrier - none are 100% safe.



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User currently offlineGabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

I flew HND-FUK last month on skymark, who were very cheap. I had an 'A' seat, and had an amazing view of Mt Fuji, Nagoya, Osaka and then Hiroshima.


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3591 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting Manc (Reply 2):
Is NRT a good place to transit out of. I've got 5.5hrs in between flights, so should be able to get from NRT to HND with plenty of time and even get some photos!

Don't take the train to transfer from NRT to HND, as it is a pain in the butt to transfer with your luggage. There is a "Friendly" limosine bus that leaves every 20 minutes or so from all the the NRT terminals that will take you directly from to HND for about 15 quid.

Just ask one of the gals at the bus ticket counter or information stand where you exit customs, and they will quickly sort you out.

Cheers


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Quoting Wheelsatc (Reply 8):

ConcordeBoy - that's a bit of a dramatic over reaction don't you think.

Disagree.

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 9):
If you want to hold their lapses against them

...a thousand pardons for not being entirely positive about an airline who releases a shocking "Safety is not our top priority" public statement (April 15, 2005) after being criticized for a litany of close calls and incidents of astounding mechanical neglect..


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2977 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 12):
..a thousand pardons for not being entirely positive about an airline who releases a shocking "Safety is not our top priority" public statement (April 15, 2005) after being criticized for a litany of close calls and incidents of astounding mechanical neglect..

And from your posting history here and elsewhere, it seems you've been on a personal vendetta against them ever since then.

Anyway, that's not exactly what they actually said. What they said was that safety had not been the top priority. Past tense. The point being they were admitting culpability and now were making safety the top priority. There was no statement to the effect of "we don't care about safety", which is what you're directly implying.

It's also worth pointing out that what had been their top priority was on-time performance. This is pretty important in Japan - no, not more important than safety, but delays are not tolerated there. So it's not as if they were even saying "we didn't care about safety until now", what they said was "we had these two competing goals that we had to weigh, both of which are very important to the Japanese public, and we chose the wrong one as the priority too often." That doesn't mean safety was all the way down on the list, somewhere below working first-class bidets and a no dead-pixel policy for their PTV screens. No, safety and on-time performance were their two top priorities, and on-time performance was winning out. But that changed in 2005.

Do you see now how your post, and in fact your history of posting on this subject, is an overreaction?

I flew JAL last year and I'm flying them again next week. I've got no problem with them, other than the fact that they are now on time less often than they used to be.



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User currently offlineBrianHames From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2961 times:

ANA does not disappoint. However, my only experience with the two airlines in question is First and Business class on ANA. I've done SFO-NRT-SFO twice in First on the 772ER, and then NRT-PEK-NRT in Business on the 763ER. Each of the six segments were great. Awesome service, both on the ground and in the air, friendly crew, clean airplane, comfortable seats. Enjoy your trip!

Brian


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 13):
Anyway, that's not exactly what they actually said. What they said was that safety had not been the top priority. Past tense.

Wrong.
What he stated was safety is not their top priority (present tense) under the implication that that was something they were to make an immediate change there upon.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25291 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 7):
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 1):
You can buy Y-class on JL and spend another 1000 Yen

Do you mean 10, 000 Yen ?

Because 1000 Yen is only $8.60 USD , that would be the best upgrade deal in history.

No, 1000 Yen is correct on JL domestic flights for their Class J product. It's much like Premium Economy on certain other carriers, 8-abreat (2-4-2) on 747s.
http://www.jal.co.jp/en/classj/

NH have a higher standard product on domestic routes called Super Seat Premium but I don't know what they charge for upgrades if you have a through international fare including a domestic connection. I'm sure it's more than 1000 Yen. There's a link to their domestic fares for this product below.
http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/dms/svc/ssp/index_ss.html


User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

You will have plenty of time to connect.. I went from HND to NRT by bus and it took about an hour and we hit traffic. I dont remember what it was called (probably like airport express or something) but it was like $30 and nontop from airport to airport which was really convenient since I had 2 big suitcases and didnt know japanese. I would recommend this bus ride. It's on a nice coach bus and I didn't have to connect anywhere or go through the train stations.

Slovacek747


User currently offlineCinJA From Singapore, joined Jan 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

I've flown both JAL and ANA domestically, the flights are so short that it really doesn't make much difference to me at least.

As mentioned, another option you can try is Skymark, a less expensive carrier which offers similar service. They have an English site at http://www.skymark.co.jp/en/index.html.

Enjoy your trip!

CinJA


User currently offlineNeder99 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Definitely take the Friendly Airport Limousine, departs like every 15mins from outside both terminals at NRT, a lot less hassle than taking the train, and it's quicker (and probably cheaper).

As said before, domestic flights in Japan are very short, and service is basic (drinks only in Y).
You might be lucky and get on one of their Pokemon aircraft (yes, they can even be enjoyed by over 5-year olds!), if only to see how funny (read: ridiculous) the Cabin Attendants look in their Pokemon aprons!
Oh, and the Beef Consommé soup is very popular.

Have a good flight!


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