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Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Service  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4922 times:
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Hi all,

I'd like to raise this question here on Civil Aviation.

Looking for some markets,i realize that CNF , Belo Horizonte, Brazil with almost 3.5 million people, should be the biggest city without any international non-stop service.

Any other major city without such kind of service ?

Am i right ?


Felipe


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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quite a few Chinese and Indian cities with over 1 million inhabitants and no intl. service I think.


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User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1386 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

What about Baghdad with close to 7M people and yet no airservice.

pZ



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 2):
What about Baghdad with close to 7M people and yet no airservice.

Well, we got that stupid war going on now. If it wasn't for that, I believe they would have intl flights.


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 3):
Well, we got that stupid war going on now. If it wasn't for that, I believe they would have intl flights.

I think there is to Jordan or Syria, but i dont think its scheduled. As mentioned cities in China and India with more than 1 million people which dont have intl service, there are over a 100 cities in china with over a million population.



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User currently offlineChris133 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 2):
What about Baghdad with close to 7M people and yet no airservice.

Well there's plenty of air service just not a lot of it is commercial


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 3):
Well, we got that stupid war going on now. If it wasn't for that, I believe they would have intl flights.

Since 1991 there have been no international flights to Iraq...so your contention is wrong, unless the sanction were lifted.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Royal Jordanian does indeed have scheduled flights to Baghdad:

RJ 812 dp AMM 10:15 AM ar BGW 11:45 AM Fokker 100
RJ 810 dp AMM 10:30 AM ar BGW 12:00 PM Fokker 100

RJ 813 dp BGW 12:45 PM ar AMM 2:25 PM Fokker 100
RJ 811 dp BGW 1:00 PM ar AMM 2:40 PM Fokker 100

That's for Saturday, October 6th. Other days have more flights.



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User currently offlineFiveMileFinal From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Are these the only two flights of the day? I love how they leave within 15 minutes of each other


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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Ciudad Juarez (CJS) has over 1 million inhabitants and no international service. Should AM ever drop the TIJ-NRT flight, Tijuana would be in the >1M cities without international service club. Not surprising given that this are border cities.

User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
Since 1991 there have been no international flights to Iraq...so your contention is wrong, unless the sanction were lifted.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...ction/iraq1/civflight/cvflyidx.htm



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Bursa, 4th largest city in Turkey, population close to 2mil. has no international service, I don't even know the extend of domestic service. 3 hours away from Istanbul, people usually drive to IST.

User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

I don't know about the world, but the largest metro area in the U.S. without intercontinental service is the Riverside/San Bernardino/Ontario, CA metro area (AKA the Inland Empire), as ONT's only international flights are to Mexico. Of course, intercontinental flights are available an hour or so (traffic makes it much worse of course) at LAX. It is the 13th-largest metro area in the U.S. with 3.3 million people.

The largest U.S. metro area without any scheduled international passenger service (including Canada and Mexico) is the Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport News, VA metro area (AKA Hampton Roads), since neither ORF or PHF have any such service, not even flights to Cancun or Toronto. It is the 33nd-largest metro area in the U.S. with 1.6 million people.


User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 1):
Quite a few Chinese and Indian cities with over 1 million inhabitants and no intl. service I think.

I think BuyantUkhaa is on the right track. Which of these cities, if any, do not have int'l service? There are probably many cities in the world with populations of 1 million or more that have no international service. This list only goes down to 3 million.

Wuhan-China 7.1 million
Tianjin-China 7.0 million
Chongging-China 6.4 million
Hyderabad-India 6.1 million
Shenyang-China 4.7 million
Dongguan-China 4.3 million
Bandung-Indonesia 4.1 million
Haerbin-China 3.7 million
Surat-India 3.6 million
Busan-South Korea 3.6 million
Recife-Brasil 3.5 million
Guiyang-China 3.5 million
Fortaleza-Brasil 3.2 million
Dalian-China 3.0 million


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Which of these cities, if any, do not have int'l service? There are probably many cities in the world with populations of 1 million or more that have no international service. This list only goes down to 3 million.

Wuhan-China 7.1 million
Tianjin-China 7.0 million
Chongging-China 6.4 million
Hyderabad-India 6.1 million
Shenyang-China 4.7 million
Dongguan-China 4.3 million
Bandung-Indonesia 4.1 million
Haerbin-China 3.7 million
Surat-India 3.6 million
Busan-South Korea 3.6 million
Recife-Brasil 3.5 million
Guiyang-China 3.5 million
Fortaleza-Brasil 3.2 million
Dalian-China 3.0 million

According to OAG, all cities above have at least a few international flights except Wuhan, Bandung, Surat which only have domestic service, and Dongguan which doesn't have an airport (it's adjacent to Guangzhou/CAN).

[Edited 2007-10-05 18:45:25]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 12):
I don't know about the world, but the largest metro area in the U.S. without intercontinental service is the Riverside/San Bernardino/Ontario, CA metro area (AKA the Inland Empire), as ONT's only international flights are to Mexico. Of course, intercontinental flights are available an hour or so (traffic makes it much worse of course) at LAX. It is the 13th-largest metro area in the U.S. with 3.3 million people.

It shouldn't really count as a metro area, as it is really an extension of the Los Angeles metro.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Fortaleza-Brasil 3.2 million

Not true. TACV flies there using 757s.

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Haerbin-China

Kidding, right? They get Korean Air, Asiana, SAT, and CZ service to ICN and KIJ. Heck, not too long ago they had a flight to LAX (made a stop there IIRC).

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Wuhan-China 7.1 million
Tianjin-China 7.0 million

Wrong again.

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Shenyang

Wrong again.

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Busan-South Korea

Wrong again.

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Dalian-China

Wrong! JAL and ANA even fly 767s there.



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User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

From Wikipedia
Wuhan: Korean Air WUH-ICN

Tianjin: Korean, Asiana and Air China to Seoul, ANA and Japan Airlines to Nagoya, Vladivostok Air to Abakan & Ekaterinburg (seasonal?), S7 Airlines (Bangkok, Novosibirsk) (starting Oct 18 2007)

Chongqing: Asiana Airlines (Seoul-Incheon), Philippine Airlines (Manila), SilkAir (Singapore)

Hyderabad: Too many to list, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begumpet_Airport

Shenyang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_Taoxian_International_Airport (including Asiana to Busan - further down the list so we can cross that one off too)

Dongguan - As far as I could find they don't have an airport, even though there is mention that they do if you do a google search, there is not an airport in google earth at the coordinate given here - http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airpor.../airportDetails.do?airportCode=DGM -for example, not really a candidate?

Bandung-Indonesia: BDO-KUL, AirAsia and Merpati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husein_Sastranegara_International_Airport

Harbin-China: Seoul and Vladivostok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin_Taiping_International_Airport

Surat-India 3.6 million: Appear only to have a service to Dehli, so it is a candidate
http://www.suratairport.com/flight_schedule.html

Busan-South Korea: Lots of international services
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busan_Airport

Recife-Brasil: Paris, Lisbon and Milan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guararapes_International_Airport

Guiyang-China 3.5 million - A candidate in my view (although Macau and Hong Kong are claimed as international destinations)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longbaodong

Fortaleza-Brasil: Lisbon (TAP) and Milan and Warsaw (may be charters?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinto_Martins_International_Airport

Dalian-China: Osaka, Tokyo, Seoul, Vladivostok and a few others in Russia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalian_Airport



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

How about PIT, with over 2.4 million people and the 20th largest MSA in the USA. Of course it's the only big metro that is losing population, but I hope this trend ceases very soon!


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
Wrong again.

He wasn't wrong. If you read his post he was asking a question -- Which of those cities have no international service?

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Fortaleza-Brasil 3.2 million

TACV flies there using 757s.

Also TP daily nonstop A330-200 to/from LIS.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 18):
How about PIT, with over 2.4 million people and the 20th largest MSA in the USA.

AC PIT-YYZ, CO PIT-YUL and USA3000 PIT-Cancun.

STL is another large US metro area (approx. 3 million) with almost no international service since the demise of TWA. Just a few seasonal flights to Mexico I believe, and AC to YYZ.


User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

JAX?

I mean they are home to BA's America call center and don't have any international flights. Use to, with AC service to YYZ but thats over with.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
AC PIT-YYZ, CO PIT-YUL and USA3000 PIT-Cancun.

and soon-to-be MBJ. And I misread the thread. I thought it read intercontinental, but as I went back to read it again, I was mistaken, and I apologize.



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Any other major city without such kind of service ?

Too lazy to check, but the following might qualify (looking at world map, cities > 1m):

Mexico:
Puebla

Venezuela:
Valencia
Maracaibo(?)

Brazil:
Goiania
Curitiba
Belo Horizonte

Nigeria:
Ibadan

Egypt:
Gizeh (debatable, I know)
Alexandria?

Iran:
Mashhad
Esfahan

India:
Jaipur
Lucknow
Bhopal
Indore
Vadodara
Ahmadabad
Surat
Pune
Nagpur

China:
Qiqihar
Changchun
Fushun
Anshan
Baotou
Datong
Taiyuan
Shijiazuang
Handan
Jibo
Zibo
Qingdao
Luoyang
Zhengzhou
Langzhou
Huainan
Chongoing
Hangzhou
Ningbo
Nanchang
Fuzhou
Changsa
Xi'an
Nanning

Korea:
Taejon
Taegu
Kwangju

Japan:
Yokohama
Kyoto
Hiroshima
Kobe
Fukuoka

Vietnam:
Hai Phong

Indonesia:
Bandung
Semarang
Surabaya

Philipines:
Quezon City

Again, these cities may have international service, it's just that I'm not aware of any.

I'll check some Russian ones later if I have time.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Valencia
Maracaibo(?)

Both of those have n/s service to Miami, and soon Marcaibo will have Aeropostal service to FLL, IIRC MAR also has some flights to Colombia.



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User currently offlineLurveBus From Philippines, joined Mar 2007, 283 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Japan:
Yokohama
Kyoto
Hiroshima
Kobe
Fukuoka

Yokohama is part of the Tokyo Metropolitan area, so it's served by HND and NRT. Kyoto and Kobe are part of the Kansai area, and even though Kobe has its own airport, international services are done through KIX. Fukuoka is served by many international airlines, a few of which are CX, CI, and PR.

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Philippines:
Quezon City

QC is part of Metro Manila, so it's served by the airports of MNL and CRK.


25 ConcordeBoy : ...where on Earth do you get that from??
26 Steeler83 : I was referring to the top 20 MSAs in the USA. According to many posts on here in the past that contained cited census information, PIT is the only M
27 NZ107 : I guess you don't need too many international airports around. Tianjin is about an hour from Beijing and Dongguan isn't too far from Guangzhou, Shenz
28 AlexPorter : You'd think so, but technically the census bureau has counted it as a separate metro since the 2000 census. Before that it was part of the L.A. metro
29 Ktachiya : Hiroshima? Didn't SQ fly into Hiroshima at one time? What happened to that service?
30 Afterburner : Bandung (BDO): to KUL by AK Semarang (SRG): to SIN by GA Surabaya: to SIN by GA, MI, Valuair to KUL by MZ, MH, AK to HKG by CX to TPE by BR to BWN by
31 Viscount724 : HIJ has a few international flights currently: CI to TPE OZ to ICN CA and CZ to DLC MU to PVG
32 CXfirst : I know EK fly there from DXB (Can't be bothered to check for more) As I was flying EK yesterday, I saw that in there magazine they were advertising t
33 Viscount724 : ALY has 8 or 9 international services to various points in Europe and the Middle East, for example LH to FRA, OA to ATH, BMED to LHR.
34 Post contains links NG1Fan : How about CBR Canberra 'International' Airport and serving Australia's capital city of 330,000 people. Not a single international flight. http://www.c
35 LipeGIG : In Brazil from major cities, just Belo Horizonte does not hold an international non-stop. CWB, POA, SSA, REC, FOR, BEL and MAO holds services. VIX and
36 Swissgabe : Yokohama is a city on its own and the 2nd largest of Japan. NRT and HND are both in Tokyo. Like Kyoto it doesn't have it's own international Airport.
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