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Which Airline To LAX From ARN?  
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

Hi.

I have a tough task for you guys. But you will find a solution for it.

As you maybe know I fly to LAX every summer. And maybe one day I will move to L.A.

But this time I am also going for LAX this winter. So my question is which carrier is best to LAX from ARN.

The dates are 25/26th December to 4th January.

And I want to know your experience and why I should fly the airline you recommend.

I will fly in Eco with my father, so I am looking for 2adult tickets.

I have before flied with LH (8times) and with BA (3times). I and of that two I prefer BA all the way to LAX.

Hope anyone can help me.


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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

With 2 people travelling in Eco, the A330/A340 would be my first choice; nothing better than a window and an aisle seat.

More questions:
Do you look into "single transfer" only or would a routing via CPH and SEA be an option ?
Does it have to be LAX for the arrival-airport in the L.A.-area or would airports around (BUR, ONT, SNA - or even further away, but maybe close to "home") be an alternative ?
Apparently you have no preference for a specific Alliance ?

Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):
The dates are 25/26th December to 4th January.

You are serious that you intend to fly during busy X-mas season and haven't purchased your tickets yet ?!
-HT



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 1):
o you look into "single transfer" only or would a routing via CPH and SEA be an option ?

Prefer single transfer.

Quoting HT (Reply 1):
Does it have to be LAX for the arrival-airport in the L.A.-area or would airports around (BUR, ONT, SNA

It doesn't need to be LAX, the L.A area is also okey but not to far away.

Quoting HT (Reply 1):
Apparently you have no preference for a specific Alliance ?

No I dont.

Quoting HT (Reply 1):
You are serious that you intend to fly during busy X-mas season and haven't purchased your tickets yet ?!

Yeah, I know. We should bought our tickets months ago. But we decided to go to LAX 3days ago. So what to do???



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5673 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
We should bought our tickets months ago. But we decided to go to LAX 3days ago. So what to do???

Prices might vary quite a bit by now, so something we recommend might turn out too be too expensive ...

Apart form availability, I would focus on a) costs and b) ease of travel (timings) ...
Personally I would avoid to connect too far to the south of Europe (viewed from Scandinavia this is ...) as this would unnecessarily increase travel time.


  • LH via FRA or MUC appear to have fares in mid-ranges but suitable connections
  • LX via ZRH does not have good connections, especially on the return flight.
    The story might be different if you combine LH and LX flights, but ZRH - ARN is a 2.5h flight ...
  • Connections via LHR:
    - BA (you are aware of it)
    - VS
    - NZ
  • KL via AMS; suitable timings in both directions. about 1.5 hours for the transfers; not too much of a detour compared to the Great Circle (in contrast to FRA, MUC, ZRH, CDG).
    You will arrive at LAX-T2 but not TBIT (still construction work in progress at immigration with 6 lanes closed two weeks ago, I had to wait 50 minutes as hordes of Asians had arrived prior to our flight from MUC).
  • If the price would justify it, I would even consider to fly AB/LT via DUS, but only if it is much cheaper.

I would avoid
- AI via FRA
- UA flying a B777 FRA-LAX as US904/905
- AF via CDG as it would mean a too big detour (unless the price is right)

-HT



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5673 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 3):
would focus on a) costs and b) ease of travel (timings) ...

That is the two biggest issues I look on.

Your list help me very much, thank you.

But the problem with LH is that they dont have any personal TV. And I really hate that. Love LH but have to choose other carriers (as BA) over LH because the dont have PTVs on every seat.

Do you know which aircrafts are going to have PTVs???? Will my a/c have it, what is the chances???

If I choose to connect through LHR I think that I will go with BA. Most smoothly.

KL doesn't sound so bad actually, maybe I should give them a try.

Quoting HT (Reply 3):
If the price would justify it, I would even consider to fly AB/LT via DUS, but only if it is much cheaper.

What do you mean with that?? Does any carrier fly from DUS to LAX???



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5673 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 3):
LX via ZRH does not have good connections

pardon?

25 Dec.
09:45 ARN - 12:10 ZRH LX 1249 A319
13:05 ZRH - 16:40 LAX LX 40 A343

4 Jan.
19:25 LAX - 15:55 +1 ZRH LX 41 A320
16:35 ZRH - 19:05 ARN LX 1254 A343

You almost can't get it any better. 40mins at ZRH is more than enough, and the LAX flight is almost always at least 15mins early, I can't remember ever having seen it come in late.

It's expensive as hell though, unless you wanna spend a night in ZRH it drops to about SEK10'000.

edit: PTV and AVOD in every seat in Y

[Edited 2007-10-10 11:42:06]

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5673 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 5):
It's expensive as hell though

I know, that is the problem.



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5673 times:

I just had a look around expedia and the cheapest option seems to be AF/DL via CDG (all on AF metal on A32S and 772)

Although the connections suck as you would have to spend a night in Paris on the outbound flight. costs €980 pp.

More convenient would be the same option for €1030, but you'd have a 45mins connection in CDG and that's next to impossible to make. Then there's AF all the way for €1140 with a seven hours connection in Paris, so not too convenient either but better than the othe rtwo options (you could go spotting at CDG or even head in town).

that would be AF 1263 depart ARN 6:50 arrive CDG 9:30 (A320) - AF64 depart CDG 16:30 arrive LAX 18:35 (773ER)

return: AF65 depart LAX 15:35 arrive CDG 11:10 (+1) (772) - AF1062 depart CDG 15:45 arrive ARN 18:20

----

the next cheap/convenient option would be LX via ZRH as explained above on the outbound and UA/SK via LHR and CPH on the return, although that would mean two transits which might complicate things. (cost €1200)

UA/SK via FRA starts at €1240 with convenient transit times.

If you need more help, send me a pm!

www.expedia.com


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 5):
4 Jan.
19:25 LAX - 15:55 +1 ZRH LX 41 A320
16:35 ZRH - 19:05 ARN LX 1254 A343

You almost can't get it any better. 40mins at ZRH is more than enough,

Going for vindication:
I disregarded this connection as being too short.
Arrive at Dock Midfield (I still prefer that term), being seated somewhere in the back of the a/c.
Fight to get off the plane, onto the train.
Rush to A-gates, find that the waiting queue at security is long for the afternoon bank of departures (including all the transferring pax who have to go security again) with minimum 15 minutes waiting time.
Once through security, rush to your gate with "Final boarding" and "Paging Mr. Soandso for flight xxx to yyy".

Some people might want go for such connections, I don't.

I have connected last Friday inbound from LAX on LX41 (Flying in Business Class) to a continuation to HAJ. Waiting at security checkpoint for Business & First Class-pax was timed 10 minutes. Lines at Eco were considerably longer.

A few months ago I took a 50 minute connection around noon at ZRH; the inbound flight from HAJ arrived late (of course an AVRO thus requiring bus transfer). About 5 minutes for security check and off onto the next bus for TP-flight to LIS (again on a remote stand). The transfer was accomplished in about 20 minutes from one a/c to the next, but my luggage although tagged PRIORITY did not make the connection which was a major hassle for a Business Trip.

I am not saying that connecting at ZRH is a bad thing in general (I have another oncoming flight via ZRH in November), but 40 minutes is too short for my taste; 60 minutes is the minimum for me.  twocents 

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Do you know which aircrafts are going to have PTVs???? Will my a/c have it, what is the chances???

Being introduced gradually, but the chances to end up twice on a plane with PTV by X-mas resp. early January are just outside.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
What do you mean with that?? Does any carrier fly from DUS to LAX???

Sure. LT does ( www.ltu.com ; in the process of being taken over by AB); saw one of their A332's at LAX's TBIT when I arrived on LH end of September.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 5):
19:25 LAX - 15:55 +1 ZRH LX 41 A320
16:35 ZRH - 19:05 ARN LX 1254 A343

Just before someone wonders: LX 41 is operated by A343, LX 1254 by A320 ...  Wink

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):
45mins connection in CDG and that's next to impossible to make.

On that topic we do have a common opinion ...  Wink

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):
go spotting at CDG

Oh-oh! Don't get caught by police spotting at CDG without a proper "license" ... !
-HT



Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Oh-oh! Don't get caught by police spotting at CDG without a proper "license" ... !

If you don't take pics you should be fine, i've never had problems there, however once a friend of mine took a few pics and we were told to leave. But surely, seven hours in paris offers plenty of stuff to do. the aviation museum at LGB is anothe roption, and quite clos eto CDG aswell.


User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 9):
LGB is anothe roption,

I never knew Long Beach moved to paris...talk about a long move... Wink


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 10):
I never knew Long Beach moved to paris...talk about a long move

woeps! I meant LBG of course

[Edited 2007-10-10 19:59:37]

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):

Think that I will not going for AF and CDG.

And LX is to expensive so they are not a option.

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Being introduced gradually, but the chances to end up twice on a plane with PTV by X-mas resp. early January are just outside.

I see. That is really not good. That is maybe the reason why I will not choose LH.

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Sure. LT does ( www.ltu.com ; in the process of being taken over by AB); saw one of their A332's at LAX's TBIT when I arrived on LH end of September.

Didn't know that LTU serve LAX, interesting.

Thank you so far guys.



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 12):

Well, frankly, you really dont have much of a choice anymore.It's quite late, and christmas time is amongst the busiest, if not the busiest, travel period.

So, either you'll go after price and accept less convenience, or you go after convenience but pay more. You'll have to sacrifice one for the other.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 13):

Okey I see. But choosing LX and sleep one night in ZRH is just to much on a long journey as this.

Will buy the tickets on Sunday. Will see what airline I will go for.



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
But choosing LX and sleep one night in ZRH is just to much on a long journey as this.

I didn't say you had to take LX, I personally wouldn't do an overnighter either.


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

from expedia.se
25-DEC
ARN FRA 0635 0845h
FRA LAX 0945 1220h

04-JAN
LAX MUC 1630 1250h
MUC ARN 1445 1715h

All flights are operated by LH.
Outbound using a UA-flight numbers and LH flight numbers on the return this sells 8316 SEK (913 EUR) and has availability for 2 pax.

As UA will also operate their own metal between LAX and FRA, this might be another option taking into account that PTV is of importance for you, but UA only have it in their B777 not the B744. Cabin service however is reported to be below european standard, so decide on your own ...

Some connections can also be found via LHR on SK/UA returning via FRA or MUC, but the cost will be inthe same range as mentioned above.
I think, I will not have to point out that some of the UA-flights shown with a single flt-number actually are connections at ORD (and the likes).

BTW, KL-flights are well over 10,000 SEK per pax on expedia.se.
-HT



Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 16):
All flights are operated by LH.
Outbound using a UA-flight numbers and LH flight numbers on the return this sells 8316 SEK (913 EUR) and has availability for 2 pax.

That was a good fare on this time of the year. Maybe I will give LH a try.



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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 17):
Maybe I will give LH a try.

be prepared for far below sub par service, if you get stuck on UA metal though; at this point however, i'd take what i can get as long as its not to unreasonable. LH is a very good airline to LAX. Either way have a great time in California.  Smile


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 18):
LH is a very good airline to LAX

I know that. Bu they would be so much better if they had PTVs in every seat.

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 18):
Either way have a great time in California.

Thank you.

I will have a great time in L.A. I will avoid the coldness here in Sweden for almost 2weeks. That is not so bad.



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