Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4792 times:
IMO the 757 is the most versatile airplane Boeing has produced. Now that the last 757s are coming off the line which aircraft duplicate its versatility and performance? The B739(X) and A321 don't seem to cut the mustard. Perhaps a version of the 7e7?
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4630 times:
Most of the UK-registered 757's flights could be done with the A32X or 73X, perhaps with the exception of the longer charters to Egypt and North Africa.
Craigy, the A320s and B737NGs can do UK-Egypt flights. Here are some airlines (from the top of my head) who operate on such routes:
1. Egyptair have a weekly A320/A321 between Sharm El Sheikh and LHR.
2. Excel have flights between LGW and Taba/Sharm El Sheik/Hurghada with B738s
3. Astreus have flights between LGW/MAN and Taba/Sharm El Sheikh
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4542 times:
Craigy, I hope Egyptair return to Manchester. Before 9/11 they had 2x weekly flights to Cairo (one originated in LXR). Straight after 9/11, LHR and MAN flights were combined for 2 months, and then the flights to MAN were cancelled altogether. Now they have charter flights to MAN (usually with A340) during the Hajj period. Hopefully since so many Middle Eastern carriers have/will have flights to MAN, it won't be long before MS reinstate theirs.
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4477 times:
How much inertia do you think the 767 family has left? It's intersting that the aircraft is one year older, the type is still being produced (albeit -300s only for now) and demand for (2nd-hand) 767s seems to be on the up, especially in Africa and Latin America. It is strange the two production lines aren't going down at the same time...
BoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4469 times:
If you have market demand that would have moved you to a 757 by 2008, then a 737-800 or 900. If you are already operating a 757 in a market, odds are your demand in 2008 will dictate a short range 7E7 . One of the biggest benefits of the 7E7 is the ability to increase supply to meet demand, maintain your cost structure and offer better service for the same price, or in the case of an LCC decrease your cost structure.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4450 times:
"How much inertia do you think the 767 family has left?"
Depends on whether the military versions of the 767 (tanker: 762 platform; and joint stars: 764 platform) replacements go forward. Remember CO placed an order for 762ERs ten years after any other carrier had done so.
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4398 times:
While it's not a practical replacement, I think some airlines should bring back their 727s
That isn't as impractical as you might think!
Some years back, a British businessman and his American partner proposed re-engineering surplus TU-104 aircraft with the JT8D and selling them on to African and other third world carriers. I'm surprised that nobody ever came up with the plans to buy surplus 727-200s and re-engine them with the Tay or something similar, then market them in countries which might not be able to fund newer types.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4362 times:
I'm surprised that nobody ever came up with the plans to buy surplus 727-200s and re-engine them with the Tay or something similar, then market them in countries which might not be able to fund newer types.
UPS re-engined their fleet with Tays... whether sucessful or not, you'd have to ask someone else.
Now that the last 757s are coming off the line which aircraft duplicate its versatility and performance? The B739(X) and A321 don't seem to cut the mustard. Perhaps a version of the 7e7?
Boeing will likely convince a good number of 757 carriers to go for the 7E7-3. Reason being, many bulk 757 opperators are also bulk 767 opperators (think DL, UA, AA, CO, ect) so as they will be ordering 7E7-8s, a 7E7-3 order would fit. The 7E7-3 is a decent jump in capacity over most 757 configurations so Boeing must provide some product beneath the 752 and above the 738/739 to fill this gap.
Short term, Boeing might start the 737-900X as a side project. This would provide many 757 carriers an ability to add-on to their existing fleets as new 757s are not avialable. Since Boeing is going to have to re-engineer the 737 platform to higher weights for the MMA project, now might be a good time to carry that military work over to the commercial sector. When the 737 is ultimatly replaced, Boeing will probably get the 180-200 passenger variant "right" and not end up with another 739 with limited market appeal.
DeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1704 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4243 times:
I think that this topic begs the question: Is there really a TRUE replacement for the 757? Sure, the A321 and 739 can pretty much handle the loads, and can pretty much operate on the sectors that the majority of 757's operate on today. But what aircraft could ever possibly fully-fill the niche that the 757 has created for itself? The sheer power and majesty of the aircraft and it's capabality to operate with a full load on a hot and humid day in Las Vegas, or Denver. What A321 or 739 could offer non-stop transatlantic service without being weight restricted (especially on the Europe-US return where you're going against the jet stream and prevailing winds). Carriers all over the world will be knocking down both Boeing's and Airbus's door 20 years from now when the service life of their 757's is dwindling screaming for a product to directly supplant the 757 in performance and capabilities and with the way technology advances something more environmentally friendly (both in terms of emissions and use of fuel). The 757 entered uncharted waters when she came to fruition and no imitation mock-up like the 321 or 739 can be called a true replacement.