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Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6242 times:

I know it has been discussed many times, but can't reach through the "search" function.
So if you could help me with the usual;
-How to enter Havana and back to US with a US passport
-Cheap fares, what carriers (not looking into exotic Russian types), like to do one stop only from NYC area.

I might be travelling first week of December for a few days.
Thanks for all your tips.

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User currently offlineIclcy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6237 times:

plenty of info here

http://www.netssa.com/cuba_airfare.htm


User currently offlineLX64A332 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2007, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

From the NYC area go via NAS or Mexico, those countries provide the most frequencies to cuba, but you can also co via the Dominican Republic.

cheers,

LX64A332



SWISS remains Swiss. With Lufthansa. :D
User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6222 times:

If you qualify for Cuba travel, American and Continental have charter service from Miami, but you have to qualify and meet certain criteria, such as being on philanthropy, being a journalist, being on official business, etc.

If you are a U.S. citizen and don't qualify, travel to Cuba is illegal but often circumvented by going through other countries. If you have citizenship elsewhere or dual citizenship somewhere, you can go via another country (Canada, Mexico, and caribbean nations usually) but don't use a US passport. But again it is illegal if you have a U.S. passport and I can't give you any recommendations in that case, other than visit Jamaica, the Domincan Republic, or Puerto Rico instead.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6209 times:

You'll need to go through Canada, Mexico, or the Caribbean. It is my understanding that Cuban authorities don't stamp US passports, but you might have to ask them not to just to be safe. Don't leave a paper trail, get your story straight ahead of time, and avoid bringing home lots of "made in Cuba" merchandise. As long as you don't come back from your weeklong January vacation in "Montreal" with all kinds of sunburns, you should probably be ok  Smile.

User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

Well if you qualify, Family, Journalist, research etc.. Than as said before Gulfstream International, American, Continental, ATA all have Charter flights from MIA to Cuba. I pretty sure I read somewhere any flight between the US and Cuba most originate or land in MIA. Other than that, fly to Canada, Bahamas, Mexico. Here in Miami if you cant take the many charters available the popular thing to do is go to the Bahamas.
But never get your passport stamped. Make sure it is not stamped if it is you are going to have a problem.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

TK787:
I really would hate to give illegal advice at this site.  Wink

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Cheap fares, what carriers (not looking into exotic Russian types),

Then why bother?
That is part of the fun. Also, Cubana is cheaper than any other carrier to Havana.
Find out which cities get the IL-62, Yak 42 or IL-96 that have direct service from your airport. I presume JFK, right?
The IL-62 and Yak-42D are classic Soviet jetliners and a thrill to fly on.
The IL-96 is a completely modern aircraft on par with the A340 and 777.


AlexPorter is telling you the right thing in terms of keeping you out of trouble.
RwSEA is also telling you how to avoid getting in to trouble.  Smile
I'd strongly advise against going through Canada. DON'T DO IT!
US Customs are at Canadian airports. You are much better off going through Mexico, Venezuela, Panama or Costa Rica.

Check your IM for more info.  Smile


Off topic;
seeing that you are a 'winemaker' in the state of New York, you may take special interest in this thread I started last week.  Smile

Wine Connoisseur’s Thread (Wine Snobs Only) (by Superfly Oct 15 2007 in Non Aviation)



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

This thread makes me wonder: For non-US citizens, is it possible to fly from the U.S. to Cuba all on one ticket? For example, can a French citizen (for example) fly SEA-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico on one ticket? Is Aeromexico allowed to issue tickets between the U.S. and Cuba? Or do they need to be two separate tickets, like pre-2007 DAL to non-Wright Amendment states travel on Southwest?

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 7):
For non-US citizens, is it possible to fly from the U.S. to Cuba all on one ticket?

No, it isn't. To do that, you'd have to have the whole journey booked in the same PNR. US carriers run revenue integrity checks to ensure that their space is not booked in the same PNR as travel to Cuba, North Korea etc - if it is, the carrier is in breach of US law. US-based travel agents cannot even book such a journey via their GDS's, but agents outside the US can.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6152 times:

Thanks a bunch folks,
Just the right info I was looking for.


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
US carriers run revenue integrity checks to ensure that their space is not booked in the same PNR as travel to Cuba, North Korea etc - if it is, the carrier is in breach of US law.

But is it possible on a foreign carrier? Like is PHX-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico legal for non-US citizens & nationals?


User currently offlineLDIkaros From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 6129 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
If you have citizenship elsewhere or dual citizenship somewhere, you can go via another country (Canada, Mexico, and caribbean nations usually) but don't use a US passport.

I know it is illegal for US citizens to go to Cuba (unless certain circumstances apply) but what about US permanent residents with European passports? If I get a Cuba entry stamp into my German passport and then return (via another country) to the US with my US green card would I have problems?

I am just curious - I don't have any plans to go to Cuba (or other 'forbidden' countries such as N. Korea).

Does anybody know?

Thanks


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 10):
But is it possible on a foreign carrier? Like is PHX-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico legal for non-US citizens & nationals?

Yes, I believe so - although I'm not sure what the rules are about ticketing such a journey in the US. Maybe an AM office can do it, but a US travel agent can't.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

Quoting LDIkaros (Reply 11):
If I get a Cuba entry stamp into my German passport and then return (via another country) to the US with my US green card would I have problems?

No problems for you at all.
Technically, you are a German national and the restriction does not apply to you.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6048 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
US carriers run revenue integrity checks to ensure that their space is not booked in the same PNR as travel to Cuba, North Korea etc - if it is, the carrier is in breach of US law.

Actually, it's not illegal for Americans to go to North Korea - you can't bring goods back with you, but it's perfectly legal to travel there and spend money for hotels, food, etc.

Here's the consular info sheet.

It's not highly recommended, especially as there's no US embassy there - representation is by Sweden - and if you get sick you can't be evacuated to South Korea.

As far as I know, Cuba is the only country we have such a harsh travel ban against. I can even legally buy a ticket to Burma, although the US financial transaction restrictions are so tight now that I couldn't use my credit cards or traveler's checks there. There are other countries which I couldn't bring merchandise back from, but as far as I know Cuba is the only country in the world that I have to have advance permission from my government to legally travel to. It strikes me as a little strange.


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I'd strongly advise against going through Canada. DON'T DO IT!

This is golden advice. As established, it's illegal in most circumstances for you to go and spend US dollars in Cuba, but if you're going to do it, Canada is the worst option. I will tell you, however, that I have seen many Cubans living in the US at PTY.

Despite all their shortcoming, US Immigration has a good idea as to who is using a third country to illegally visit Cuba. Why risk it when you can visit Puerto Rico, Jamaica, etc., etc. and wait for travel to be legal (my guess that it won't be too far off in the future).


User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5914 times:

Advice? Easy, DON'T GO!!!!! It's illegal for a reason. Don't spend our American dollars to support Castro and his communist regime. Pretty simple eh?

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5886 times:

Quoting Lobster (Reply 16):
It's illegal for a reason.

Oh please. The reason being everyone needs the votes of the Cuban exile community in Florida - otherwise the sanctions serve no useful purpose. If it was about being Communist, how come there's no ban on travel to China ?


User currently offlineLeftCoaster From Cayman Islands, joined Nov 2007, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 17):

Agreed.

As far as travel to Cuba... I know 2 people that went there different ways. One from Seattle and the other from Los Angeles.

My friend from Seattle drive to YVR and flew YVR - YYZ return on Harmony (when it was still operating) and YYZ - HAV return on AC. He had no problems.... but he did book his flights seperately - NOT on one ticket as someone mentioned earlier.

Then my other friend & his fiancee' travelled LAX - GCM (via MIA) on AA... and then GCM - HAV on KX.

They also had no problems... and said that Cubans treat American tourists VERY well.

While I haven't travelled to Cuba myself - I hope the info. regarding my friends Cuban trips has helped a bit!


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5849 times:



Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 18):
They also had no problems... and said that Cubans treat American tourists VERY well.

While I haven't travelled to Cuba myself - I hope the info. regarding my friends Cuban trips has helped a bit!

Duh ... I wonder why they "treat the American tourists VERY well" ??

Perhaps they need those dollars ?

Hey, IMO, if it's illegal (and I assume it would be in this case), then we shouldn't be giving advice on how best to do it... whether we agree with the sanctions or not.

Personally, I don't agree on the 35mph speed limit on my street ... but I feel it's very irresponsible to tell my neighbours it's OK to go 60mph down it.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineLeftCoaster From Cayman Islands, joined Nov 2007, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5828 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 19):
Hey, IMO, if it's illegal (and I assume it would be in this case), then we shouldn't be giving advice on how best to do it... whether we agree with the sanctions or not.

Personally, I don't agree on the 35mph speed limit on my street ... but I feel it's very irresponsible to tell my neighbours it's OK to go 60mph down it.

Feeling irresponsible about it... and it actually being "illegal" are 2 different things.

Stores legally sell radar detectors - don't they? And they're for helping Joe Public speed without getting caught.

Jimbo, If you don't feel the need to give advice, that's fine. But if I - or anyone else - DOES... then that's our right.

It's not illegal to give an American advice on how to travel to Cuba, which is what we're doing. An American actually travelling to Cuba ~ that's another story.

Good thing I'm Canadian!  Wink


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5824 times:



Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 20):
Feeling irresponsible about it... and it actually being "illegal" are 2 different things.

Yes, I understand, thanks!

I said it was probably illegal what he was wanting to do, and IMO we shouldn't be giving advice on how to do illegal things.

Are you sure you are Canadian?? It's usually the Americans shouting for their rights, while forgetting about everybody elses  Wink

Yes, it's irresponsible to tell my neighbors to drive twice the speed limit, just because I think it's a 'stupid' law ... so what if it's my 'right' to do so.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineLeftCoaster From Cayman Islands, joined Nov 2007, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5788 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 21):
I said it was probably illegal what he was wanting to do, and IMO we shouldn't be giving advice on how to do illegal things.

Are you sure you are Canadian?? It's usually the Americans shouting for their rights, while forgetting about everybody elses

If you don't want to give him advice - fine.

My opinion is that - illegal or not - this is a discussion forum where discussions take place. Unless you can show me the badge that shows that you're the morality police, I don't see why you'd make your original comment?!

And yes... I AM Canadian. Proudly.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5780 times:



Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 22):
My opinion is that - illegal or not - this is a discussion forum where discussions take place.

Yes, and I entered into it with MY opinion also  Yeah sure

Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 22):
I don't see why you'd make your original comment?

Because that was my advice ... the original post requested tips on travelling from the US to Cuba ... and I gave him mine.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineFaustino927 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

I am Cuban and I will NEVER travel to Cuba until that Dictator Fidel Castro dies and goes to hell!!!!!
It can't be soon enough.



Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.
25 Post contains images Superfly : Why not include Disneyland on your list? I've been to Puerto Rico, Jamaica and Cuba. I liked Cuba by far more than Puerto Rico and Jamaica. That is l
26 Post contains images Bond007 : You really have no clue ... and your point ..??? Umm.. over 80% do it legally ... your point again??? There are also 100,000 rapes a year in the USA
27 Faustino927 : [quote=Superfly,reply=25]I liked Cuba by far more than Puerto Rico and Jamaica. That is like saying; why fly to Paris, France when you can visit Paris
28 Post contains images Superfly : I wouldn't know. I didn't stay at any tourist attractions. In fact, I made sure to stay out of crappy 'tourist attractions' such as Veradero. If nati
29 Post contains images Bond007 : No, not funny. The poor analogy was: OK. Very educated comment ... thanks for the input. No bones or axes ...and certainly no sour grapes. Just an un
30 Faustino927 : Fidel Castro will die just as all of us will eventually die. Fidel's death will be very soon and those down in Miami will use that as an excuss to rio
31 Post contains images Reality :
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