FlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7527 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6083 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 4): Embry-Riddle, Purdue and UND.
Yep. Hands Down Purdue, UND and Embry Riddle are the best and most expensive programs out there. I would rank them at 1. Purdue 2. UND 3. Embry Riddle. There are alot of programs out there though but these are the ones known to be the best.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
The biggest positive I see there is that you would be attending a large university and would probably get more of the "college experience" than one would at a purely aviation or engineering school.
Other than that, you'd have to go visit. Talk to current students. Ask how they like it, how often they fly, how often planes are down for MX and how often that disrupts their training. See what internships they have and how many students have actually gone to those internships from that school.
Ask lots of questions.
OK State would probably be a good choice because the possibility to double major in another subject you might enjoy is pretty high simply because they would have lots of choices. I'd highly recommend taking that route to give yourself something to fall back on.
"A pilot's plane she is. She will love you if you deserve it, and try to kill you if you don't...She is the Mighty Q400"
D328 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5994 times:
Beaver Aviation dba Pan Am Intl Flight Acad. / Community College of Beaver County used to be good, till CCBC f***ed themselves and let another flight school Moore Aviation into the picture; thank you politics. Huge long story, CCBC was only going to require Moore to only have Single Engine non Complex planes, so Moore promised to have cheaper flight blocks by 3 dollars WOO, but the students were dumb and didn't see that Moore was charging 3 dollars more for the flight instruction. But Beaver had to have Multi/Single/Complex, so Beaver/PAIFA said F*** you to CCBC and left. Now Moore is charging 250 an hour for the multi(that took over a year to get and is not even able to fly IFR), Beaver/PAIFA was only charging 180 for multi, Moore Complex 180/hr, Beaver/PAIFA 145. So the students there that wanted Moore so bad are not getting f***ed, thats why I left in July when I could. Moore's planes are not even nice than what Beaver/Pan Am had, I keep hearing from students still there about maintenance problems always cancelling. So that school went down a lot, oh they used to be one of the best ATC schools in the country (had a tower where students in the ATC program controlled the airplanes in the class d airspace) and with all the traffic Beaver/PAIFA had kept that program good with traffic (I remember being number 11 in line to land) now with Moore that has half the planes, no traffic, slow tower, there goes the ATC school there too, CCBC really f***ed themselves.
Wow that took to long to type. Sorry for the rant.
Futurecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5853 times:
But don't come here, this time of year in Oklahoma is the worst weather for flying unless you are free all day every day and can drop everything when the weather suddenly turns good. Me, I have a job and bills so I've flown twice in the last 4 weeks. These winter storms are killer here.
But, the redeeming quality of Spartan is it's relatively cheap compared to alot of other major schools and can get you done fast. One problem here is students finishing up the commercial course(multi and single) with too few hours to take the checkride. Now, I have to think that getting done sooner is better than later and that is a good problem to have.
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6818 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5840 times:
Quoting Rampart (Reply 13): Aren't you a "professional" if you graduate from the Air Force Academy and are accepted for the pilot training? Not a direct route to airline flying, I know.
IIRC, AFA pilot training now uses Embry-Riddle instructors on base.
Be careful, the Air Force was requiring an 8 year committment for pilots upon graduation when I graduated college (and that was on top of the 4-5 you already gave them for your undergrad degree). The Federal Govt. likes to get it's moneys worth out of pilots...
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
Cross757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5769 times:
Metropolitan State College of Denver...perhaps not as prestigious as Embry or Purdue, but cheap, and if getting to the airlines is your main objective, it will do...I got my degree from there with a second in Biology...there is no guarantee about how long I will be able to pass a flight physical. As Checko mentioned, it is ALWAYS good to have a back up plan.
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 16): Be careful, the Air Force was requiring an 8 year commitment for pilots upon graduation
It's now 10 years...
Quoting Rampart (Reply 13): Aren't you a "professional" if you graduate from the Air Force Academy and are accepted for the pilot training?
Not just the Academy, but ROTC and OTS graduates as well. As far as being considered "professional", well, I suppose so. The training is arguably some of the best in the world (jet time from day one when we flew T-37's, now jet-prop time in the T-6!), and since military student pilots get paid for training instead of the other way around, it's worth the hazing...
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5758 times:
Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 11): See what internships they have and how many students have actually gone to those internships from that school.
Good advice, but remember....it's not always necessary for a school to have an internship with the airline at which you want to intern. My school didn't have an internship set up with WN, but I was able to take it upon myself to make it work out.
If you have your heart set on a particular airline, but there's no program set up with the school of your choice, you can probably still make it happen.
Great point. Choosing a school is not unlike choosing a spouse. You might find one that sounds perfect in every way, but until you actually spend some time together, you'll never really know whether the two of you are a good fit.
ATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 594 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5744 times:
For my first post on Anet, I thought this would be a good one to dive into. Metropolitan State College of Denver offers a great four year degree on both the technology (flight) and management side. I participated in this program for about three years working my way through the ranks until I decided I would rather go the ATC route. I cannot fault their program whatsoever, it is truely great. As far as cost goes, it is quite affordable. The only down side to the flight program with the school is they do not have their own aircraft, or "flight club". The aircraft have to be rented from one of the flight clubs at Centennial, Jeffco, or Front Range airport (if interested, I can give recommendations), and are much more affordable than the ones I have seen down here in Florida. Another option, though I would try to stay away from at all costs is Miami Dade. They have a very inexpensive flight program, again no planes. I am in the CTI program for ATC at Miami Dade, and quite honestly wish I had gone somewhere else, but too far into it now to back up. If my recommendations mean anything, and you are really in search for the four year degree along with the certificates, check out Metro State in Denver.
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Turnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5733 times:
Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 10): I hate to say it, but there is no ranking for aviation programs, just egos. Some are better than others. Pick the ones you might like and visit them.
Personally, at least double major in something other than aviation science. The degree is fun and does to an extent help prepare you for training, but its not worth much in the real world.
Well said. There are as many paths to a commercial flying job as there are pilots. Just like every other industry, your success depends on your own motivation and attitude more than your alma mater. When you're looking for a college, this is what I'd suggest keeping in mind:
1. How comfortable do you feel on the campus? Generally, you're going to be more successful in a comfortable atmosphere. Visit campuses in person and pay attention to your gut feelings. You're probably going to live there for a few years, so pick someplace where you feel at home. Switching colleges midstream is expensive.
2. How much is it going to cost? Flight training is expensive, and everyone tends to end up in the same low-paid regional job no matter how much they paid for their training. If the initial ticket price looks high, be assertive and ask about grants and scholarships. University recruiters are trained to be positive about everything, so they'll all insist their students get scholarships. Ask for numbers regarding the average scholarship or grant size, how many are given out, the average amount of aid each student gets, etc. Ask what the university does to help students find scholarships. A university with high tuition may still be a good deal if they're assertive about finding grants for their students.
3. How well will they prepare you for a non-flying job? When you're interviewing for a flying job, the interviewer doesn't give a hoot whether your degree is in Economics or Professional Pilot (apparently, that's an actual degree at some colleges). With this in mind, do what Checko suggests and make sure that you can get a job outside of a cockpit with your degree. You never know what will happen in the industry or to your health, so you should always have a non-flying career available.
4. What kind of internships do they offer? Actually, this isn't nearly as important these days as it used to be. Only a few years ago doing an airline internship would allow you to shave years off of landing that airline job. With the current hiring boom, this isn't a big deal. On the other hand, if you think you'd like working in management or an airline's training department internships are still a good way to get your foot in those doors.
As others have pointed out much more succinctly, you can't really say that one college is "better" than another. You just have to decide which is right for you. If you're just looking for names to check out, these are the ones that I seem to hear the most about:
Florida Institute of Technology