United319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 552 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3131 times:
Ive been pondering this lately from reading several posts on here and it seems that people have become way too dependant on IFE. It practically determines whether they like a certain airline/airplane. For instance, all the threads about UA 744s everybody slams them mainly (not entirely) based on no personal IFE/AVOD in United Economy. People also base this on AA's, DL's, AS's, etc MD-80s, NW's domestic aircraft all together, CO's 733s/735s, WNs A/C, and so on and so forth. I think we have become too picky and judgemental with IFE these days. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a lot of the new IFE systems on airlines, but I dont base my flying experience upon it like many others, and I will fly on a plane that doesn't have it and still enjoy my flight as much as I would one that had the IFE. It seems 20 years ago flying was a much better experience than it is now, they did not have IFE beyond projector screens and some overhead monitors on the aisle, along with constant ATC issues, cutbacks etc to the extent that we have today. It seems IFE wont solve all the airlines problems, and it shouldnt be the basis of somebody's flying experience. I know this will catch some heat, but it seems everybody is going a little overboard with the whole IFE thing, it seems to always be the first question everybody has on here about a new airplane that an airline is getting or a cabin upgrade, etc. Personally id rather fly in coach and recieve a complimentary hot meal with no IFE over Buy On Board service with some on-demand entertainment system. We have Television programs, movies, and music at home, the IFE should be flying itself, not everyone is privledged enough to experience this as much as many of us. We shouldnt have our faces glued to the seatback monitor watching repeats of sitcoms and viewing movies that will be out soon anyway.
NG1Fan From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3113 times:
Flying has become akin to incarceration. Being barked upon by the correctional officer (check-in agent) when registering your property for alleged safe keeping, follwed by the once-over strip search before entering the sterile zone (sorry, security check). A final meal on the ground before sent into the prison van (aircraft, I've done it again).
As in the penitentiary, there are different grades of incarceration once in the air. There is the Club Feb prison farm euphemistically called FIrst Class. THen there is medium security for your more deserving felons, some of whom were rewarded for good behaviour. Maximum security is reserved for the Great Unwashed, or those too poor for decent legal representation (I meant to say travel agent). For solitary confinment, you'd have to fly Ryanair.
THe lifers (I meant to say members of frequent flyer programs) are so jaded by now that they will put up with just about anything except for solitary. Because even for them, there are human rights. In a normal Max-Security service (sorry, legacy carrier), stting in Y-Class has become akin to being a multi-occupancy cell. Hot-bedding. Crammed in, no idea who your seat/cell mate will be, and not sure if you'll simply serve your time once, since chances of parole (ie early arrival) are remote. But further incarceration due to factors beyond the inmate's (sorry pax) control is a distinct possibility.
So what is left for the inmate? Well, there used to be a meal to look forward to. Maybe a beverage (sorry, no booze), but in most cases, that's been cut. So now you have to rely on a ration pack the loved ones prepared for you - having been thoroughly screened by Prison Autorities (TSA). The warders (sorry, FAs) pace the aisles sternly repimanding those whose loved ones prepare a too-good a meal. Warders will also lurk and scold those that have no business getting out of their confinement - apart from attending to their business.
In this prison (sorry, flight), exercise has been cancelled, now inmates are confined to their seats to do some exercises. Even reading is curtailed since Chief Warder (Purser) - she who has The Power, controls the power to the lights. Curtains must be closed when warders (FAs, sorry!) command.
When the inmate is discharged, there is no chance that the belongings he was stripped of upon incarceration (check-in, sorry), would be returned. So he has to deal with the Dept of Correctional Services (Airport to you and me, or BAA in UK, or Macquarie Airports Corporation in SYD) to try to reclaim his goods& chattel.
And you have the hide to ask whether my fellow inmates are asking too much by having IFE??
OHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3103 times:
I honestly do not decide upon IFE,ICE,AVOD and WTF which airline I travel. It is nice to have, sometimes I even watch some movies, but flying is it what I like the most.
I can watch movies everyday at home.
I believe that there is only one step further and that is Internet on board for every passenger but after that I do not think that there will be any other gimmicks.
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3058 times:
I agree with you 100% United319. People are just too damn picky nowadays. The problem is some airlines have spoiled the flying public in terms of all the high tech mumbo jumbo they now offer on board. I mean really...people flying forty years ago managed to make it from point A to point B well enough without PTV's, in flight Wi-Fi, etc. All they needed were good books. And that's all I usually need.
BTW, UA 744's are awesome a/c to fly on. Whoever disagrees must be smoking those funny cigarettes around here or something.
Mauiman31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3051 times:
It's certainly not make or break for me for business travel, I only do domestic trips. I was on F9 and YX this past week. I hadn't flown F9 for several years, but The Direct TV for $5 was enjoyable and worth it. I rented the digE player on YX (as I usually do) on the way home from SFO. Relaxing, enjoyed the movie. If it's not there. I read or sleep. Now on a longer haul --on vacation --- up to date IFE is nice to have. And I expect it now in F or J.
ATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 588 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3040 times:
I am all for In-Flight Entertainment in a number of situations. With the decline of service in the industry, passengers need more to keep themselves occupied. IFE is quite important on a 6 hour SEA-MIA flight, but taken a little far with those who cannot keep themselves entertained for the 40 minute DEN-ASE flight. IFE is nearly a requirement in F and J domestic, if only to keep up with the industry standard, and not even a question when it comes to international F and J products. Try to imagine the SQ EWR-SIN flight without IFE
By reading the above post you waive all rights to be offended. If you do not like what you read, forget it.
United319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3005 times:
Quoting ATCtower (Reply 5): Try to imagine the SQ EWR-SIN flight without IFE
I completely understand where you are coming from. But when I hear airline enthusiasts jumping at every opportunity to learn about IFE all I can think to myself is...WTF, go watch TV at home. You should like flying for the experience of flying itself, not some TV system.
Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 1): And you have the hide to ask whether my fellow inmates are asking too much by having IFE??
Well im not speaking to inmates on CON-AIR, im talking about airline passengers, thank you. As much as airlines have taken away, it could be worse. You could be flying on a miltiary transporter with no seats that recline, no drinks of any kind, no flight attendants, etc. I guess im just saying that we need to expand our horizons beyond AVOD, and enjoy the flight. And it wont rescue you from a nasty CSR, Flight attendant, old plane, etc. Its only a damn video screen.
Quoting ATCtower (Reply 5): Try to imagine the SQ EWR-SIN flight without IFE
Anyways for me, IFE matters alot, I mean of course if you tell me a B777 with IFE and a B747 without IFE for a flight shorter than 5 hours, that the 747 will do, however if you tell me the same thing on a SIN - LHR flight, than I would think twice.
I can't fly without it generally, however if it is for a particular plane say the Boeing 747,717, 727, 707, and maybe even the 737, 757, 767 (only the 2 - 3 - 2 config in Y) than sure I would do it, but only for the aircraft nothing else. For Airbus it would be Airbus 318, 319, 321, and now the 380
I've got better things to be doing with my time when I'm at home, but when there's nothing else to do, I may as well see the new releases without paying the cash to the cinemas.
IFE is not everything, but it passes the time for people that don't want to bring heaps of books etc in their hand carry. Sure some of us love flying, and will fly to HKG for the day just for fun, but the majority these days don't have the attention spans of old, so they find even a short 3-4 hour flight a chore without the numbing sensation of American Sitcoms and the saccharine of family movies & romantic comedies on their IFE.
I do notice if for some reason I have to slum it in economy, I am far more likely to watch movies back to back, than if I am in C Class supping on a decent meal and quaffing the Veuve Clicquot. In economy the IFE draws the focus away from the fact you are sitting almost intimately with people you've never met before. On those night flights the IFE matters not when you're with a bed to lie flat in.
Bartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
i dunno. if there is another flight later in the day that has it i'll take it. WS almost all have LiveTV which is awesome, none of the rerun sitcoms. if my team is playing i can watch it durring my flight, and thats a bonus to me
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7781 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
I could care less about IFE's and PTV's. IMHO, as important as a marketing aid these systems are, I find that it's just another step for man into an ever darkening abyss where we are unable to occupy one's self for more than 5 minutes with out a TV or computer screen. It's sad enough that some people can't manage to fly across the country (God forbid over the Atlantic) without having to watch TV, but parent's have to buy a minivan with a DVD player in it to keep their kids occupied on a 2 hour road trip.
Lobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2892 times:
Hell, I'd sleep on a long flight if I could, I'd put my laptop on my tray table if I could, I'd do alot of things if I could. But instead, I'm stuck with 31, 32, or IF I'm lucky, maybe 33" seat pitch. Give me a comfortable seat that I'm actually able to do something in, and I wouldn't want it. But for now, I'll take the IFE and hopefully it will help me forget about how much I payed for such a shitty seat on an airplane.