SFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 130 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
Next month I will be flying to Amman, Jordan on LH from FRA. I know the flight arrives around 2:00am. Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?
What should I except upon arriving (and departing)? Customs, Baggage Claim, Terminal, etc...
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2992 times:
Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter): Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6473 posts, RR: 27 Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2982 times:
Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter): Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?
Among other possible reasons, "increased aircraft utilization" could be another one: The roundtrip FRA - AMM - FRA is made during a time at which most airports in Europe are closed due to (nightly) curfews. Instead of paying to park the a/c somewhere, it is sent to AMM to make some revenue.
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Aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2714 times:
Quoting Acabgd (Reply 3): Don't also forget the scorching heat during most of the year. You really don't want to disembark from a flight arriving in AMM on high noon in summer.
Not only that, but the high heat can restrict aircraft performance.
Mostly though, I figure it's a scheduling thing. Depart in the early evening from Europe; arrive late-night in Amman. Very few people would be connecting from Amman, so the late arrival isn't so much a factor. This is followed by an early morning return that allows for onward connections from Europe to USA, etc.
Good aircraft utilization and good westbound connection opportunities. No?
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21498 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
Quoting HT (Reply 2): Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?
Among other possible reasons, "increased aircraft utilization" could be another one: The roundtrip FRA - AMM - FRA is made during a time at which most airports in Europe are closed due to (nightly) curfews. Instead of paying to park the a/c somewhere, it is sent to AMM to make some revenue.
Those schedules also maximize connections in Europe. By departing Europe as late as possible and arriving as early in the morning as possible they can connnect to/from virtually all other longhaul and European points.
In some cases I believe carriers also do not want to overnight aircraft in the Middle East due to security and insurance issues.
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
All the US-Europe bound flights arrive in the early morning to mid afternoon. Onward longhaul flights to the middle east and India leave in the evening, plus, you are going eastbound through time zones. Early morning IE 12AM-6AM is rush hour in the middle east and India for flights coming from Europe and the US.
Much of European heavy traffic is dependant on US inbound traffic. Sorry guys, but the US dominates the world airline schedule it seems.
Boeing777228 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2687 times:
AMM is a small terminal with a huge duty free...nothing much more than that
TKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 645 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2677 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6): Sorry guys, but the US dominates the world airline schedule it seems.
Sorry to disappoint you but the US-International air traffic counts 30-38bn RPK a month, whereas the Europe-International traffic counts 55-75bn RPK/month. Though the European traffic does not depend on US travellers.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2593 times:
Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter): Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?
This does not apply to all flights from Europe to the Middle East. For example the BD LHR-AMM flights arrive in the evening except for the Friday departure:
Mon d. 12.35pm a. 7.45pm
Tue d. 1.00pm a. 8.10pm
Wed d.1.35pm a. 8.45pm
Thu d. 1.30pm a. 8.40pm
Fri d. 9.00pm a. 4.10am
Sat d. 1.20pm a. 8,20pm
Sun d. 12.30pm a. 7.40am
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2561 times:
Quoting Boeing777228 (Reply 7):
AMM is a small terminal with a huge duty free...nothing much more than that
Your point?
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
SFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2420 times:
How about Customs and Immigration? And Baggage Claim?
CupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 831 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2400 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6): Much of European heavy traffic is dependant on US inbound traffic. Sorry guys, but the US dominates the world airline schedule it seems.
Oh that is gold. Please tell us more. Enlighten us.
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Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2198 times:
Quoting HT (Reply 11): It can be seen as an answer to the OPs following question
Thank you, I thought the issue was only the timing of flights.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2098 times:
Sorry guys, having a rough night. I didn't mean my post to sound like we rule the aviation schedule world. But in order for the average joe to get from point A to point B to point C has really become an art and collaboration among the worlds airlines for timing. Going in an East bound direction, it's pretty easy to make quick connections to fly all the way around the world eastbound, and the US can be a gold mine for many airlines and I've just noticed that a lot of carriers dictate their schedules according to what inbound US traffic there is going to point C. Sorry, didn't mean to sound brazen.
CV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 992 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1976 times:
Wait until June, fly DL from JFK, arrive 11A, depart back at 1300, all in the daylight and intense heat. See the Middle East "hot spots" on your way in & out.
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