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Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA  
User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Next month I will be flying to Amman, Jordan on LH from FRA. I know the flight arrives around 2:00am. Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

What should I except upon arriving (and departing)? Customs, Baggage Claim, Terminal, etc...

Thanks for any info!


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4857 times:



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

Because that is the rush hour there!!!



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4847 times:



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

Among other possible reasons, "increased aircraft utilization" could be another one: The roundtrip FRA - AMM - FRA is made during a time at which most airports in Europe are closed due to (nightly) curfews. Instead of paying to park the a/c somewhere, it is sent to AMM to make some revenue.
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User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Don't also forget the scorching heat during most of the year. You really don't want to disembark from a flight arriving in AMM on high noon in summer.

I arrived to DXB once during summer at 2am and I almost fell down the stairs from temperature and humidity shock.



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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4579 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 3):
Don't also forget the scorching heat during most of the year. You really don't want to disembark from a flight arriving in AMM on high noon in summer.

Not only that, but the high heat can restrict aircraft performance.

Mostly though, I figure it's a scheduling thing. Depart in the early evening from Europe; arrive late-night in Amman. Very few people would be connecting from Amman, so the late arrival isn't so much a factor. This is followed by an early morning return that allows for onward connections from Europe to USA, etc.

Good aircraft utilization and good westbound connection opportunities. No?


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4574 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 2):
Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

Among other possible reasons, "increased aircraft utilization" could be another one: The roundtrip FRA - AMM - FRA is made during a time at which most airports in Europe are closed due to (nightly) curfews. Instead of paying to park the a/c somewhere, it is sent to AMM to make some revenue.

Those schedules also maximize connections in Europe. By departing Europe as late as possible and arriving as early in the morning as possible they can connnect to/from virtually all other longhaul and European points.

In some cases I believe carriers also do not want to overnight aircraft in the Middle East due to security and insurance issues.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

All the US-Europe bound flights arrive in the early morning to mid afternoon. Onward longhaul flights to the middle east and India leave in the evening, plus, you are going eastbound through time zones. Early morning IE 12AM-6AM is rush hour in the middle east and India for flights coming from Europe and the US.

Much of European heavy traffic is dependant on US inbound traffic. Sorry guys, but the US dominates the world airline schedule it seems.

UAL


User currently offlineBoeing777228 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

AMM is a small terminal with a huge duty free...nothing much more than that

User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4542 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):
Sorry guys, but the US dominates the world airline schedule it seems.

Sorry to disappoint you but the US-International air traffic counts 30-38bn RPK a month, whereas the Europe-International traffic counts 55-75bn RPK/month. Though the European traffic does not depend on US travellers.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4458 times:



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

This does not apply to all flights from Europe to the Middle East. For example the BD LHR-AMM flights arrive in the evening except for the Friday departure:

Mon d. 12.35pm a. 7.45pm
Tue d. 1.00pm a. 8.10pm
Wed d.1.35pm a. 8.45pm
Thu d. 1.30pm a. 8.40pm
Fri d. 9.00pm a. 4.10am
Sat d. 1.20pm a. 8,20pm
Sun d. 12.30pm a. 7.40am


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4426 times:



Quoting Boeing777228 (Reply 7):

AMM is a small terminal with a huge duty free...nothing much more than that

Your point?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4355 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 10):
Quoting Boeing777228 (Reply 7):

AMM is a small terminal with a huge duty free...nothing much more than that

Your point?

It can be seen as an answer to the OPs following question :

Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
What should I except upon arriving (and departing)? Customs, Baggage Claim, Terminal, etc...




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User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

How about Customs and Immigration? And Baggage Claim?

Thanks for the info!



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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 837 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4265 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):
Much of European heavy traffic is dependant on US inbound traffic. Sorry guys, but the US dominates the world airline schedule it seems.

Oh that is gold. Please tell us more. Enlighten us.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2840 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4257 times:



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
What should I except upon arriving (and departing)? Customs, Baggage Claim, Terminal, etc...

Directly after leaving the aircraft you will have to buy a visa. It would be wise to have some Jordan money.


User currently offlineCF105Arrow From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

If u fly through YUL and connect with RJ270, you will arrive AMM at 5.15 pm (but I guess that's no LH, no individual IFE)

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4063 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 11):
It can be seen as an answer to the OPs following question

Thank you, I thought the issue was only the timing of flights.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Sorry guys, having a rough night. I didn't mean my post to sound like we rule the aviation schedule world. But in order for the average joe to get from point A to point B to point C has really become an art and collaboration among the worlds airlines for timing. Going in an East bound direction, it's pretty easy to make quick connections to fly all the way around the world eastbound, and the US can be a gold mine for many airlines and I've just noticed that a lot of carriers dictate their schedules according to what inbound US traffic there is going to point C. Sorry, didn't mean to sound brazen.

UAL  Smile


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Wait until June, fly DL from JFK, arrive 11A, depart back at 1300, all in the daylight and intense heat. See the Middle East "hot spots" on your way in & out.  Smile

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