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Airline's Flagship Routes?  
User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

I am just curious of what some airlines flagship routes are. Ex. AA's flagship route is JFK-LAX

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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

What, exactly, defines a "flagship route"? And why does an airline even need one?


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7529 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Thats tough to say for bigger airlines like NW..


BA- LHR-JFK is my guess.

NW- DTW-NRT is a guess, or maybe MSP-NRT since that is where it all started.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6320 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

I'd say for Aer Lingus it would be DUB-LHR and DUB-JFK.

User currently offlineGrozzy From Australia, joined Oct 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

For QF it would be the kangaroo route SYD-LHR . What are the other airlines 01 routes? eg BA01 QF01 etc

User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2671 times:



Quoting Grozzy (Reply 4):
For QF it would be the kangaroo route SYD-LHR . What are the other airlines 01 routes? eg BA01 QF01 etc

AC 01 is YYZ-NRT. That can't be the flagship route though?



Liam spin 


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1185 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

For SA)">AA, I'd say its JFK-LHR along with JFK-LAX. Also to some extent, DFW-NRT and MIA-LHR.
For SA)">UA, probably SFO-NRT, JFK-LAX/SFO, and ORD-HKG. Also IAD-KWI.
For SA)">DL, JFK-LGW and ATL-CDG. SA)">CO's flagships are EWR/IAH-LGW (soon LHR). USAirways: hard to say, but maybe CLT-LGW; soon it will be PHL-PEK. For SA)">NW, probably DTW-AMS and DTW/MSP-NRT.
I'll also add some flagship routes for the cargo airlines, can't forget about them...
UPS: SDF-ANC, SDF-CGN
SA)">FX: MEM-ANC, MEM-CDG, MEM-NRT
Hard to say for ABX/DHL, as their int'l. flying is done by Lufthansa Cargo (or is it Gemini?) and Northwest Cargo. ILN-LAX and ILN-JFK I'd say are good guesses. I believe ILN-JFK is one of the few routes they use an A300 on.
Some flagship routes for international carriers:
BA, AF, KL, LH, IB, AZ, EI, etc. - all their flights to JFK. For IB, probably MAD-EZE as well.
EK: DXB-JFK, DXB-LHR
SQ: SIN-LHR, SIN-SYD
CX: HKG-JFK, HKG-LAX
QF: SYD-HKG-LHR, SYD-LAX (and SYD-LAX-JFK, for that matter)
SA: JNB-LHR
Feel free to add to or correct!


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3186 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2614 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 6):
MIA-LHR.

Out of AA's major hubs, why did you choose MIA?!?  Confused

Quoting 747fan (Reply 6):
Also IAD-KWI.

You're kidding, right?!? This right goes on simply by government, military, and large corporate contracts. By no means is it a "flagship" route by general popularity, or by size of plane if you take that into consideration (777, not 744).

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2):
NW- DTW-NRT is a guess, or maybe MSP-NRT since that is where it all started.

Wasn't the first NW Orient 707 transpac SEA-NRT??

My vote for NW would have to be NW1: LAX-NRT-HKG.


If an airline's flight 1 is anything to consider, the legacies are:

AA: JFK-LAX @ 900a / 762
UA: ORD-HNL / 772A
DL: SFO-JFK-LGW / 738 - 763
NW: LAX-NRT-HKG / 744 - 744
CO: IAH-HNL / 764



A340-500: 4 engines 4 long haul. 777-200LR: 2 engines 4 longer haul
User currently offlineBoeingPride800 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 430 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

It's funny how AA's flagship JFK-LAX only makes a profit of $200 a flight with the 762. Just goes to show how much the operation will cost with food/maintenance and most of all fuel/oil costs

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3186 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2580 times:



Quoting BoeingPride800 (Reply 8):
It's funny how AA's flagship JFK-LAX only makes a profit of $200 a flight with the 762. Just goes to show how much the operation will cost with food/maintenance and most of all fuel/oil costs

I take it you got your statistic from that TV documentary on AA?? While they did quote a mere $200 profit for the one flight, you must keep in mind that profit was for THAT flight alone. Their will be some flights that operate at a loss and other flights that operate with filthy profits. Just depends on what day and flight you analyze. AA1 on the very next day could have made $20,000.....all hypothetically of course, but nonetheless.

IAD-KWI, as mentioned in reply 6, is one of the most "polarized success" routes in the UA system. Some days it will make monumental profits, and other days it will fly at nightmarish losses with no more than 30 people on the entire 777. Obviously the profit is enough to offset the bad days, as UA recently made UA982/981 a daily flight, up from 3x weekly.



A340-500: 4 engines 4 long haul. 777-200LR: 2 engines 4 longer haul
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3802 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2571 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
Wasn't the first NW Orient 707 transpac SEA-NRT??

Correct. In fact, in a NW timetable dated 1964, shortly after 707s had replaced DC-8s on their transpac routes, SEA and ANC remained their only U.S. gateway cities for flights to NRT and the Orient.

As for "flagship routes," DCA-SEA would seem to hold this distinction with Alaska Airlines on the basis of the flight numbers assigned: 1 and 3 westbound, 2 and 4 eastbound. Generally speaking, the lower the flight number(s), the more a flight might be considered a "flagship" route.




Quoting Leskova (Reply 1):
What, exactly, defines a "flagship route"? And why does an airline even need one?

"Flagship route" is, for all practical purposes, a term from the past, when airlines took great pride in what were considered their most prestigious routes, generally longhaul in nature. "Back then" rights to fly between any two points, whether domestic or international, did not come easily, especially on more lucrative "high-profile" routes. Such routes were especially prized by airlines and were sometimes referred to as their "flagship" routes. That was also when airlines were viewed as a valued service rather than a commodity.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24796 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2552 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2):
NW- DTW-NRT is a guess, or maybe MSP-NRT since that is where it all started.



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
Wasn't the first NW Orient 707 transpac SEA-NRT??

NW's primary gateway to Japan for decades was SEA, apart from a few flights (less than daily) in DC-7C and DC-8/707 days that operated from JFK and ORD via ANC. Direct flights MSP-Tokyo didn't begin until quite a bit later if memory correct. SEA-Tokyo flights also stopped at ANC in both directions until the 707 replaced the DC-8.

And just a minor correction, NRT didn't open until 1978. All flights used HND prior to 1978.


User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2525 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 6):
SQ: SIN-LHR, SIN-SYD

I think it would be SIN - HKG - SFO (SQ1)


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