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Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World  
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3032 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 5726 times:

The thing that irritates me the most is that no frequent flyer miles can be collected flying domestic in Norway, government rules. There are a couple of trips where I get so close of reaching gold status, or retaining it, and all I needed were a couple of my domestic trips. In addition to that, a lot of Norwegians are not a part of a frequent flyer program due to the little international travel, they say, "what the heck, it's only one trip, those miles won't do any good." This as well as people not even knowing about them as they usually have no need for them.

So what irritates you the most?

-CXfirst


From Norway, live in Australia
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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months ago) and read 5721 times:
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Quoting CXfirst (Thread starter):
So what irritates you the most?

Well, to be honest: weird comments of passengers about everything about flying! They see some condensation at the wings:

"OH, they dump fuel AGAIN, they do that so often!"

"Why are there life vests but no parachutes on board?"

And a question I can hear pretty often:

"oh, you fly a cargo airplane, you dont have any F/As then, right? What do you eat then?"
I always look puzzled and ask myself: what does this have to do with F/As?! I dont want to EAT the F/As... I always say: you know, we get coupons of KFC and subway and then we carry those boxes on board and eat that! And if you are late and havent had enough time to get your own food: YOU WILL BE DEAD at the end of the flight...
And the best reply to that was: "KFC?! And what if you are vegetarian?"  faint  No comment of me for that one, just  rotfl 

And one other thing: after an airplane crashed, in 99% of the cases its always PILOTS error BEFORE there was ANY investigation done!!!!!!

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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2854 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

Houdini Tugs - the ones which disappear just when you're on a tight slot, closed out and ready to go.

ATC who don't talk to each other. One sector gives you no speed restriction or maintain high speed, then they hand you over and straight away it's back to 250.  confused 

Asian radar services, or lack of them.  crossfingers 

Classic 737s doing M.76, same level, same heading, ahead, probably behind an Emb145 doing even less.

All those old slow Boeing narrowbodies doing M.79 over the atlantic  stirthepot 

Rival company jocks in identical a/c who claim to ATC they can go quicker, faster and higher.  liar 

The distance from Staff Carpark in to work  raincloud 

RT in different languages on one frequency  redflag 

The embargo on jump seat riders

The media's ability to hype up non-events and its inability to be factually correct  thumbsdown 

Companies who enforce ridiculous economy descent profiles which delay everything else in the air - Aviation's answer to Driving Miss Daisy.  zzz 

As a passenger:

"Green" taxes. Pah, what a load of crud.  dollarsign 

Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks  eyepopping 

Kids who kick seat backs  Angry

Long haul babies  yell 

Families who check-in last, then once onboard expect people to swap seats so than can sit together crowded 

Companies who use the PA as a sales pitch to a captive audience....the airline credit card, the duty free, the donations for charity, the scratch cards.....ooops, have we time for the safety demo?  Big grin

Classic aircraft banned from our skies due to noise  worried 

International call centres who barely know the difference between Birmingham, Alabama or Birmingham, UK, or between Manchester, NH., or Manchester, UK.

Having to prove you've travelled on a flight when FF miles don't get credited, when the airline's data base must show you checked-in, you boarded and arrived at your destination.

Sitting next to Captain JetSet who tries to impress me with his aviation knowledge by giving me a running commentary of everything happening, even though he's probably a shoe salesman for Nike and wouldn't know the difference between a millibar and a sports bar.  ziplip 

Shamu - not easily irritated  yes 



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5702 times:
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Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):

 rotfl  I had a good laugh about some of those! but on most I do agree!!!!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
RT in different languages on one frequency redflag

Thank god there is an ICAO english test now  thumbsup 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Rival company jocks in identical a/c who claim to ATC they can go quicker, faster and higher. liar

Mines bigger than yours....  banghead 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks eyepopping

How do they get through check in and the gate actually INTO the aircraft with that?! HORRIBLE!!!

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Sitting next to Captain JetSet who tries to impress me with his aviation knowledge by giving me a running commentary of everything happening, even though he's probably a shoe salesman for Nike and wouldn't know the difference between a millibar and a sports bar. ziplip

Oh, how I do love that! And then finally telling the dude next to you: I am an airline pilot, but keep on telling me how things work! THAT face is PRICELESS Big grin Big grin

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It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Controllers who think they're pilots and know exactly what is taking place on the flight deck every second of a flight.
 bigmouth   irked 

Pilots who think they're controllers and know exactly what is taking place in the control room every second of their flight.
 bigmouth   irked 

The pilot who is knobing it rather than the yoking it to turn the airplane in the terminal airspace when the controllers needs a nice standard rate turn and ends up with about 1/2 a degree every 10 seconds because the bank angle limiter didn't get reset from high altitude. (see item 1 above  Smile  Smile)

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
ATC who don't talk to each other. One sector gives you no speed restriction or maintain high speed, then they hand you over and straight away it's back to 250.

Agreed however, the sequence one person may be handing to another sets good with the first controllers yet the second doesn't have quite the same level of comfort with the situation and reverts to what letter of agreements state.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
The embargo on jump seat riders

 bigthumbsup 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Classic 737s doing M.76, same level, same heading, ahead, probably behind an Emb145 doing even less.

I'd turn that around with the Classic flat out hauling butt at .76 so the E145 doesn't leave them in the dust at altitude!  Smile

Those who can't fasten the seat belt yet wait until the cabin door is closed to ask the seat belt extender!  stretch 

The guy who is last to get on the full airplane, has his entire house in a foot locker with wheels and gets pissed at the flight attendant because there is no overhead space for that ginormous piece of luggage and it must be checked to his final destination.  butthead 



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User currently offlineAirtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1557 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5673 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Long haul babies

 rotfl 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks

didn't think about that one but you're absolutely right !

I'll add people getting out of their seats as soon as the plane hit the floor  banghead  , people who always "ring" at security, people reclining their seat without even looking behind them...

I'm also disappointed with the fact that there's more and more difficult to earn FF miles with low fares.



Life is short : eat dessert first !
User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Poor communication during delays. All companies are guilty of it. Tell the pax what's wrong. Keep it simple, but explain enough to eliminate the barrage of questions to the CSA's. If it has been an hour since the last announcement, and you have no new information, tell them that there is no new information. This action, even with a lack of information, says one thing clearly. It says the passengers have not been forgotten. By keeping them informed of the progress, or lack of progress, it will make them feel involved. No, you will not please everyone all the time, but the self important asswipes that demand immediate and personal attention from 'someone more important than you' will never be satisfied. If you satisfy the 98% of passengers that appreciate the no new information announcements, the remaining 2% will stand out as the dicks that they are.

A few years ago, on a 757 departure, I was called up after boarding was done and doors ready to close. It was the old Emergency Floor track lighting system that was messed up. During the turnaround grooming lifted up the cover and pulled wires to the lights in a section in the back. With pax staring at me and piecing the lights together, I reconnected it all and tried it. It worked but the cover that protected the wiring was messed up and no doubt would get ripped apart with the kick of a foot. I called stores and a new segment of track cover was on it's way. Standing there people were wondering what was going on. I announced, to the immediate area that i was waiting for the cover and that they would be on their way shortly. This then ended quite a number of puzzled faces as to why i was standing in the galley chatting casually with the F/A and the aircraft was not departing. Of course as i said about the 2%, one passenger started with "If it's okay, we would like to get going, we don't need that cover....." Here I was imagining choking this idiot. I explained that next week when they are returning from vacation how upset they would be if a problem developed that prevented them from coming back home that could easily have been avoided with an extra 10 min repair from the originating station. That shut her up.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1003 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

One thing stands out, no doubt:

People who take huge and plenty of pieces of carry on luggage on board, stuff it all in the overhead bins, and then people who board later/last have to put their one bag under the seat and restrict their own legroom. Drives me nuts!!! There were times when airlines were much stricter with carry-on restrictions. I remember SQ putting every single piece of carry-on into that "cage" at boarding at CHC, and people with more than on e piece, or too large pieces had to check it in. GREAT!!! That is one of the reasons why I don't fly with FR and the like - when they charge for checked luggage it only means people carry more on board (naturally).....

Cheerio
micha


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

The TSA - Go away. Please.

Getting a double-dose of X-Ray at MKE just to get out of the terminal and into the shops and museum - At least it's fast getting back in to D

Legacies serving squat and LCCs serving the goods for free

One cookie on SkyWest, but two on Midwest and SkyWay? - Surely a CRJ can hold more cookies than 100+

Attitude from employees, be it CSA's, FA's, whoever

Every plane being a 747 or a Cessna

NOTHING at MCI - NOTHING



Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5518 times:

Frequent Flyer Programs


The only thing a customer should expect for his/her loyalty is good service
User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

I hate roller bags for hand carriage
I hate the way the glamour of the heyday of aviation has made way for cheap fares and bums on seats. Bring back the airline issued standard hand carry bags, the dress code, and the genuine full customer service. get rid of the mundaneness of today's air travel and bring back the good old days without the trailer park trash and the peanuts and cola mentality.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5483 times:
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Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 10):
I hate the way the glamour of the heyday of aviation has made way for cheap fares and bums on seats. Bring back the airline issued standard hand carry bags, the dress code, and the genuine full customer service. get rid of the mundaneness of today's air travel and bring back the good old days without the trailer park trash and the peanuts and cola mentality.

Amen!  thumbsup  I agree! Everybody is flying nowadays and some people behave and treat the crews like s***!!!!
Drinks for everybody for free, proper food, proper service! no Extra charge to get something to eat!

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It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5463 times:



Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 10):
I hate roller bags for hand carriage
I hate the way the glamour of the heyday of aviation has made way for cheap fares and bums on seats. Bring back the airline issued standard hand carry bags, the dress code, and the genuine full customer service. get rid of the mundaneness of today's air travel and bring back the good old days without the trailer park trash and the peanuts and cola mentality.

Bravo!  Smile I'd like that too. The full service especially - but the dress code as well, it might encourage a higher standard of behaviour. When are we going to see the first cases of economy class rage? "Passenger goes crazy and assaults fellow passengers and flight attendants due to cramped conditions and bad service."


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

Some Pax think that the Cabin crew are their personal servants & the Aircraft there junkyard.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Almost nothing about the aviation world, the business or the optational aspects really gets under my skin. However, it's the underlying assumptions made and the atitudes of the establishment that I have bones to pick. Particularly what I regard as a blatant refusal to support imagination at the cost of one's reputation.

I'm always asked, "what could you do for this company?" and I'd answer that, "I couldn't careless for the company, it's the customer and their customers that I pay attention to. This company would just be the lesser of many evils where I feel I can have the greatest impact on the market".

I don't always get the job, but I refuse to change my views just because I work for a different company. I don't generally hold alligence or loyalty, I don't see it as an issue, but I have noticed that I get slack from the world outside aviation much more.



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Most people on a.net  Wink  duck 

User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2854 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5418 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 15):
Most people on a.net

Thank you for sharing !!



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5404 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 3):
Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks eyepopping

How do they get through check in and the gate actually INTO the aircraft with that?! HORRIBLE!!!

I feel bad for check-in agents that have to handle the thing first
 grumpy 



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User currently offlineVhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Passengers assigned in aisle seats who are hellbent in making sure they are the very first to board only to chuck a hissy fit minutes later when they have to move to accommodate passengers in the middle or window seats.

Passengers who who automatically tell other people in their traveling party that "we must be flying on a jumbo jet" be it a 767 or a Dash 8.

Irresponsible parents that let their children run amok on the aircraft kicking the seats in front of them and squealing and not doing anything at all to control their behaviour.



"There you go ladies and gentleman we're through Mach 1 the speed of sound no bumps no bangs... CONCORDE"
User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5258 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks

Kids who kick seat backs

Long haul babies


I agree! Nothing more annoying than to have a person spend 10 minutes trying to fit their huge carry-on luggage in the overhead compartment (when it is obvious that it won't fit).

Things that also irritate me:

- The no liquids rule
- Expiring FF points
- People who lean back immediately after take off until landing (esp. on long haul)
- People who sit in your aisle/window seat without asking beforehand and then asking only when you arrive
- Drunk passengers who spill drinks on you

Thats about it for now.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5247 times:
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Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 17):
I feel bad for check-in agents that have to handle the thing first
grumpy

Yes, but they are the 1st to get in contact with the passenger... And at one point you need to start! Usually there is enought time to check in the suitcase and send it to the aircraft! Once at the security it can be too late to go back and check it in! And the staff at the gate has other things to do than taking care of oversized luggage...

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It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

The Britsh Airways reservation call centre. A complete nightmare to deal with.

It's as about as much help and as informative as phoning any completely random number. To be honest I wouldn't notice the difference, apart from the holding music.

Also, why is LGW security more intrusive than LHR security? I can't imagine there are many terrorist cells with easyjet, Monarch and Flybe on their lists of potential targets.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5205 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Some Pax think that the Cabin crew are their personal servants & the Aircraft there junkyard.

I say identify those on each flight and shoot them!  tombstone   yes   Big grin



Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
User currently offlinePlaneWasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

That I only can afford to fly in Y.

User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2092 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

What bugs me is when on the news for various reports, they interview people who complain endlessly about air travel. "Gee, my plane was 25 minutes late. I can't fly this airline any more", or "Our luggage got on the next flight. Next time we'll definitely drive". These people should get a life!


Midwest Airlines- 1984-2010
25 Post contains images BoeingOnFinal : I don't like the way people complain about today's situation, constantly reminiscing about the past glamor days when pilots where respected, made more
26 Post contains images Elite : Don't worry, you're not the only one
27 Vhqpa : I hate it when the media reports things like missed approaches. Vhq
28 Post contains images PanAm747 : 1) NIMBY's that have made any kind of expansion of airports - especially in California - impossible. They don't mind their children choking on the fum
29 Swiftski : Sitting overhearing people saying: "I travel a lot actually"
30 Post contains images WILCO737 : Here is another thing that comes to my mind: SECURITY at airports! I mean the TSA duds... There was another thread about this kid and the TSA... That
31 Mauiman31 : Fellow pax who ask for info. or assistance and then when one gives them an answer they don't like -- act insulted and huffy. Recent example: Agent had
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