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The Next Worlds Longest Flight?  
User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

What do you think the next worlds longest passenger flight?

I think ewr-syd http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=ewr-syd&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE= only 500 miles longer than ewr-sin. Well depends on the route.

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User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

The distance from ABZ (Aberdeen, Scotland) to CHC (Christchurch, New Zealand) is 11,455 miles. I don't think this would be a lucrative route.  Big thumbs up

Thomas



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

SYD-EWR is fairly unlikely. Even the 772LR would struggle to meet that year round in both directions.

I think the next big one would be PPT-CDG if AF go for the 772LR or TN go for the A345 but that might be too long for an A345.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7801 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Don't rule out the lucrative sheep sheerers market between Scotland and the south island of New Zealand.


I think most have discussed and agreed that EWR-SYD is still currently beyond the range that any current airliner could profitably operate. LHR-SYD is the only other route that would be possibly technically feasible and have a sizeable demand for.



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User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

hellooo everyone....

what about LHR to SYD .....9184.2nm...not bad....about 19hours...and this is route will do good to my opinion......



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

BR are currently considering TPE-PTY with their 772LRs

...this would become the world's longest


User currently offlineCoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

JFK-LGA..........................the long way around.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

An EWR-SYD non-stop would sure beat having to change a/c in LAX! I am quite sure CO with their great connecting flights into EWR could pull it off (NYC and Northeast USA source of pax). But there are several problems with this idea. The current longest non-stops are ones where there are enough 1st/Biz pax to make it profitable. Out of current LAX hub for flights to SYD, there is a much larger base of premium pax. To do this route would requre a set up like the new SQ EWR-SIN flight, were are many fewer seats than normal A345's due to the need for more room per pax and dealing with the freight/weight issues. With that situation, could there be enough seats that could get high enough fares so an airline could make money? You would have to use a 4 engine a/c on this route due to the ETOPS issues over the Pacific Ocean, so limited to A345 or 747-400's with high efficiency engines and possibly additional fuel tanks. You also may be pushing limits as to fight and cabin crew hours on duty.

User currently offlineBistro1200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

>>You would have to use a 4 engine a/c on this route due to the ETOPS issues over the Pacific Ocean, so limited to A345 or 747-400's with high efficiency engines and possibly additional fuel tanks.<<
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No, the route could be operated non-ETOPS. Of course, all airports would have to be suitable. Remember United operated LAX-AKL on a 777, the segment from NZ to Australia is not a problem. The largest area of non-ETOPS water is south of airway G575 around 5N 130W. North of that would work.



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

BR are currently considering TPE-PTY with their 772LRs

...this would become the world's longest


And the worlds most unprofitable!

hahahahahahahha


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8571 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

When I read the original question I didn't think the answer would have to be conditional on current available technology. So my answer is that the next obvious longest flight will be LHR-SYD, once there is an aircraft capable of doing this route without major load constraints. I think we're only about 5-10 years away from having such an aircraft.

User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

And the worlds most unprofitable!

hahahahahahahha
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how do you know this?.....have you made any kind of marketing research to say that......



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

how do you know this?

simple, he doesn't




.....have you made any kind of marketing research to say that

Apparently not. If he had, he'd know WHY they're considering starting said route.  Big grin


User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

In addition to my response...this route will be benefit not only for central america passenger, but for those people traveling To/From S. america....do you know how many stops do you have to make to travel to : Rio,Bogota, Buenos Aires, Lima, Caracas, Quito, in addition to Central American, and the Caribbean from Tpe.....With Copa's hub in Panama, most of this destinations can be convered with only one stop without staying overnight in Lax.Moreover, this will avoid the transit to US which visa is required....Also passenger traveling from these destination are used to pay USD1700+ for R/T tickets...which one of the highest that I 've ever paid(coach/ Restricted fare)


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User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Just for curiosity...is Copa in good shape to place an order of 777-LR....
maybe with Continental's help?..any comments...



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

If CO can barely justify the 772LR, why on Earth Copa?

User currently offlineMoneyShot From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

"The largest area of non-ETOPS water is south of airway G575 around 5N 130W."

Where is this exactly or should I say what two geographical points or diversion airports does this refer to. Also, it is my understanding that ETOPS also exists over any land that lacks diversion airports. Aside from maybe Siberia or some of Canada, where else is there over land ETOPS requirements.


User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

I checked the traffic figures for Panama City about a month ago, which was somewhat lame (1000 total per day including both en- and deplanement) and prompted my response. Turns out there is more than one airport but the other one (PTY) doesn't have a website  Nuts, only PFN, which isnt the primary one.

Anyway despite the political connections can you really see an 18 hour (Which will deter some PAX) service TPA-PTY when BR no longer offers even TPE-LAX-PTY. Maybe a weekly service at the most but that's somewhat inflexible.

And in regard to your S.Am connections, EK will be starting up in South America soon, Save youself 1000nm's and go via DXB.


User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

If CO can barely justify the 772LR, why on Earth Copa?

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I don't know , that why I asked,,,,

also, why not? Wasn't Copa trying to adquired Avianca.....

Don't you need to be financially ok to to buy an airline...



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

I checked the traffic figures for Panama City about a month ago, which was somewhat lame (1000 total per day including both en- and deplanement) and prompted my response. Turns out there is more than one airport but the other one (PTY) doesn't have a website , only PFN, which isnt the primary one.

Anyway despite the political connections can you really see an 18 hour (Which will deter some PAX) service TPA-PTY when BR no longer offers even TPE-LAX-PTY. Maybe a weekly service at the most but that's somewhat inflexible.



...you're still completely off target.

Would you like to wander in the dark a few posts more, or shall I explain it to you now?  Nuts


User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

And in regard to your S.Am connections, EK will be starting up in South America soon, Save youself 1000nm's and go via DXB.
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you are correct....you will save 987nm , but if you are traveling to Brazil, Argentina, and Chile only. What about the others?....Colombia, Veneluela, Peru, Ecuator, and Bolivia.....



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Without a doubt, the seriously underserved Lima Peru to Can Tho Vietnam (11800sm)




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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

I checked the traffic figures for Panama City about a month ago, which was somewhat lame (1000 total per day including both en- and deplanement) and prompted my response. Turns out there is more than one airport but the other one (PTY) doesn't have a website , only PFN, which isnt the primary one.

I hope you know PFN is in Panama City, Florida.

PTY sees probably about 1,000 emplanements per day to Miami alone. It's a busy airport, I believe the busiest in Central America.




a.
User currently offlineSIunitsrule From Panama, joined Jul 2004, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Just to clarify: PFN is in Northwest Florida. PTY is in the Republic of Panama.
PTY does not have a website (which I greatly lament). There is a site from Aeronautica (the FAA equivalent of Panama) about PTY but it only has very basic data (picture, coordinates, radio info, runway length and resistance, and no pax data) and it is in Spanish. In case you're interested, http://www.aeronautica.gob.pa/aeropuertos/Tocumen.htm. There is some market for the TPE-PTY route. I personally know a couple of people who do it regularly (they do PTY-MIA-LAX-TPE and backwards). It is possible, however, to do PTY-LAX-TPE). I guess it's more expensive, though...

Regards!



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

 Embarrassment  Embarrassment  Embarrassment  Embarrassment  Embarrassment  Embarrassment  Embarrassment

God, cant you yanks think of some original names for your cities!

Panama City
Manchester
York
Frecking London for crap sake

It would save a lot of confusion.

Nethertheless i would still put £50 on the 772LR's serving NYC and LHR and not TPY direct.


25 Dutchjet : I think that Thai already has announced that it will fly JFK-Bangkok nonstop with its A345s.....another ultra-long range connection. Regarding the qui
26 ConcordeBoy : Nethertheless i would still put £50 on the 772LR's serving NYC and LHR and not TPY direct. Actually, I'd bet on all three at some point or other.
27 EVA744 : Roberta- ignorance is bliss, apparently. Anyway, PTY is a good transit freight hub. EVA (part of a frieght family) is a shipping company, much busines
28 Espion007 : why not IAD-SYD. its 9743mi which is only 290 miles further than sin-ewr.Can the 777-200L do that?
29 Elcapi1980 : the distance is 8462nm betwen IAD and SYD....the range for the 777-LR is 8900nm....so, that will be a yes.....
30 ConcordeBoy : the range for the 777-LR is 8900nm ...try 9280nm
31 HpB737100 : Could the A345 easily do EWR to SYD? What is the range for the A345?
32 Starlionblue : the distance is 8462nm betwen IAD and SYD....the range for the 777-LR is 8900nm....so, that will be a yes..... Don't forget about winds and ETOPS requ
33 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Could the A345 easily do EWR to SYD? Easily? How about not at all (with any conceivable payload) What is the range for the A345? A good bit less than
34 Antares : This 'mantra' about you need to have enough first or business class passengers to make a long haul (or any haul) flight profitable is starting to look
35 Post contains images Roberta : And they in general terms make 10 times as much money per dollar sold than multi class carriers or the case of US majors, infinately more money, since
36 Post contains images Tasha : I don't know about you all... but I get a little stircrazy after sitting in an aircraft for more than 8 - 9 hours. Everyone here is talking of the wor
37 ConcordeBoy : the 330 odd economy passengers are damned important too! To a limited degree only... ...remember, they're the most price-sensitive and the least-likel
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