Surfrider1978 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 292 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3118 times:
With the recent shutdown of Aloha, does anyone have any insight on who else is struggling to keep their heads above water?
I know Allegiant, Skybus, and SunCountry are struggling, is there anyone else, and is this having a domino effect on foreign carriers?
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3087 times:
Quoting Surfrider1978 (Thread starter): I know Allegiant, Skybus, and SunCountry are struggling, is there anyone else, and is this having a domino effect on foreign carriers?
I would add Spirit and Mesa to that list and remove Allegiant for now. Skybus, Spirit, and Mesa would be my top 3.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4024 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2998 times:
People usually start mentioning Frontier at around this time....
Panaman From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 439 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3000 times:
Sun Country. Skybus "should" last the summer. But I'm really praying for Delta to close just to piss off all the a.net elites
Sorry I moved from SXM, looking for a new house on Anguilla now!
FLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 390 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2976 times:
Mesa and Frontier are both in pretty poor cash positions and are carrying heavy debt loads. American is also shaky.
WhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 595 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
Allegiant is not struggling, meaning, running short on cash as others are...
I'd watch Mesa. Whatever joy JO experienced from Aloha's closure certainly vanished upon hearing Delta's news.
FreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 804 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
I have no inside information, but wouldn't be shocked if SY merged with WN, giving WN access to gates at MSP, along with more 737s.
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2895 times:
UA has already brought in ExpressJet to cover some Mesa routes due Mesa inability on a supposed 'short term basis'....DL is the second major to pull on the chain. The failure of AQ will be a negative impact on the HA/YV court case in Hawai IMHO. ExpressJet is cut loose...Comair and Eagle probably will quite soon with oil prices....the rj end of the market is going to be tough...especially for those stuck with large amounts of the smaller. less efficient jets and a bottom feeder contract.
Surfrider1978 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 292 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
I personally would like to see a few carriers left after this mess
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2778 times:
Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 6): I have no inside information, but wouldn't be shocked if SY merged with WN, giving WN access to gates at MSP, along with more 737s.
I don't have inside info either, but that news would be shocking, especially since we don't want any 738s...
A380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2707 times:
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2707 times:
My guess will be skybus.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1887 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2672 times:
That's what happens in aviation, some shut down and new ones emerge. Allegiant has a weird model and I wonder how they manage to survive. Sun Country seems to be relying on O&D to/form MSP, and they are right in the shadow of NW. Maybe if they go other carriers will fill their void. I'd like to see B6 fly BOS-MSP because Minnesota is on my list of places I want to go back to. BTW does anyone know what the story is with Air Gumbo? It was supposed to be a new airline coming out soon but maybe it was just a "paper airline".
NWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3324 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2674 times:
SkyBus
Mesa
Sun Country
ExpressJet (Branded Ops)
Just my .02...........
"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
B757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2644 times:
Quoting A380US (Reply 10): I'm suprised ATA is still here
Im agreeing with you! I think ATA will be the next "scheduled" ops to go. Lord knows the charter side will stay.
The views written by this user are in no manner the views of my employer and should not be thought as such.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1887 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2613 times:
Quoting B757capt (Reply 16): Im agreeing with you! I think ATA will be the next "scheduled" ops to go. Lord knows the charter side will stay.
Oh my god yes. Why didn't I think of that one? They're not half the airline they used to be and it will be difficult to go back. They should keep with the charters.
TZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1420 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2594 times:
Quoting B757capt (Reply 16): Im agreeing with you! I think ATA will be the next "scheduled" ops to go. Lord knows the charter side will stay.
Essentially the company has already said this or is in the process of it. It is now just a matter of when, but sometime in 2008 it will.
[Edited 2008-04-02 17:41:47]
35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
I think someone else was saying today (in the forums) that things aren't exactly peachy keen over at Virgin America, either...
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10690 posts, RR: 100 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2545 times:
Allitalia?
Ok, already a thread on that one...
Quoting Mariner (Reply 15): If they want, they can do a sale/leaseback on the 22 aircraft - or sell 'em - which would net more than $100 million.
F9 is fine.
I'm a fan of the ultra-LCC concept... but what is with SX not hubbing? Most likely Sun Country. (Want to travel is falling off a cliff. Only need to travel is sustaining airlines.)
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1285 posts, RR: 16 Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2545 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 15): Hmmm? Frontier's cash position is fine, and they've just sold four aircraft so it gets better.
Plus the only debt that Frontier is carrying is the aircraft mortages - which debt is covered by the aircraft.
If they want, they can do a sale/leaseback on the 22 aircraft - or sell 'em - which would net more than $100 million.
Dont let facts get in the way of bashing an airline. It seems no matter what people like you, Mariner, say there are 10 to say that F9 will not make it out of the year. They just dont .
"We have a right to fail, because failure makes us grow" --Glenn Beck
I would add Virgin America to this list. TZ seems to be a goner as well. I'm not convinced NK is that viable an operation. If oil keeps trending upwards, and no mergers are accomplished, it would not be an all out shock to see a legacy disappear. If not totally, at least start the piece-meal process of selling off the valuable assets, ala Pan Am and TWA. It could get really, really ugly this year.
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2442 times:
Ding Ding Ding TZ shutdown.
There really is no humor in this....good people out of work at a time in our economy when you cannot even get ahead with a job.
25 Isitsafenow: SURPRISE!!!! Now ya see em......now ya don't. On another carrier, someone told me this morning that Jet Blue isnt in as good a shape that most of us
27 CuriousFlyer: So will the survivors finally leave us with an understandable fare market that does not put clients off? I would love clear rules, full one way fares
28 AirframeAS: Where is your source?? F9 is doing fine, with nearly zero debt. The rest of their actual debt is secured by aircraft just like any other airline has.
29 KPWM: No. He wins also now that TZ and Skybus are both shut down.
30 ShannoninAMA: I'm going North American Airlines (Their charter division still does a little flying, I doubt it holds up much longer..) USA3000 Expressjet Shan
31 Roadrunner165: British Airways, Its going to be British Airways! Look at how T5 is turning out. Zokes! And Alaska Airlines is going to buy American. Hands Down. I kn
32 Xjramper: The sad thing is, someone won't read thru your entire post and demand a link. XJR
33 LHboyatDTW: I wasn't surprised about Skybus. I'll guess WN. Once oil prices rise even further and their oil supply which they price-locked runs out, they're essen
34 RAFVC10: My bet is for Aerolineas Argentinas, Spanair or Air Comet, all three with Marsans Group in Spain shares. Regards, Gerard
35 B747forever: But aint WN to big to be shut down?? If you say WN, then all LCC will go under, even FR here in Europe.
36 Isitsafenow: The next shutdown will be...????? WN is like NW.......lots of $$$ in the till, so a sudden shutdown will not happen there. It will be a carrier who ha
37 Cadet57: Ever hear of Pan Am? What? Lsat time I checked. WN diddnt own any other airlines. Ok, Junior. Whatever you say.
Sponsor Message: 
From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 292 posts, 
From , joined Dec 1969, posts, 
From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22723 posts, 
It seems no matter what people like you, Mariner, say there are 10 to say that F9 will not make it out of the year. They just dont 
.
From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1419 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
