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CO Loads On IAH-LHR  
User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Does anyone know how CO is doing with their flight from IAH-LHR....loads, yields, cargo, etc...?

Slovacek747

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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8092 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4867 times:
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Porbably better then the LGW loads. For $200 million in slots they better be.

User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

J loads busy, Y a bit up and down. I'm sure it'll pick up though as the summer progresses and the route develops. LGW consistently busy on the B764.

User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2789 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4790 times:



Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 2):
J loads busy, Y a bit up and down. I'm sure it'll pick up though as the summer progresses and the route develops. LGW consistently busy on the B764.

..and your source is...?

Not being pedantic, just curious where this info is from.

Ta

Shamu



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User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Am I correct in that they are flying the 777 to LHR.....

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3864 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

I am more interested in BA's LHR loads. We would love to see one the 2 flights upgraded to a 744, here.

Thomas



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4728 times:



Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 4):
Am I correct in that they are flying the 777 to LHR.....

EWR-LHR

1 767-200, 1 777-200ER

IAH-LHR

1 767-200, 1 777-200ER

EWR-LGW

2 (this Summer 3) 757-200

IAH-LGW

1 767-400

CLE-LGW

1 757-200



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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4706 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 3):
..and your source is...?

Not being pedantic, just curious where this info is from.

Ta

Shamu

CO's res/check-in system.  Wink


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32202 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4706 times:



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
We would love to see one the 2 flights upgraded to a 744, here.

Even if the loads are high (and I'm sure they are; and I'm sure yields are great), would BA really move a 744 from a route like Johannesburg, Los Angeles, or Miami to Houston? Probably not.



a.
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7944 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4660 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
IAH-LGW
1 767-400

I can't believe the 764 can manage this. I guess CO also fly em EWR-HNL which is a long way, up to nine hours. I just think of it as medium haul!



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4653 times:



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9):
I can't believe the 764 can manage this. I guess CO also fly em EWR-HNL which is a long way, up to nine hours. I just think of it as medium haul!

CO flies the 767-400 between IAH and AMS, as well as EWR-HNL. Both routes are longer than IAH-LGW.



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User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 408 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4617 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Even if the loads are high (and I'm sure they are; and I'm sure yields are great), would BA really move a 744 from a route like Johannesburg, Los Angeles, or Miami to Houston? Probably not.

Didn't BA fly the 744 to Houston for quite a while? Why is it such a far-fetched idea that they may bring it back?


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4598 times:



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9):
I can't believe the 764 can manage this.

I flew flt15 from ewr to hnl a few years back in bf. I wouldn't have a problem doing it iah to lhr. I almost like the 764 better than the 777. Especially if you can get a middle seat in bf I sure think it's a prettier airplane.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

IAH-LGW ain't that far... 4218nm.

CO I think is doing well by maintaining both LHR and LGW... especially from EWR. I am dubious of the value of it from IAH, but they may not have any reason not to.

NS


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

IAH-AMS is the longest 764 route in the system, at times will be weight restricted.

As far as IAH-LHR, the loads on 4/5 have been more than healthy up front. Most flights have been going out 48/48 or 50/50 depending on ship, so obviously that's very promising. The later flight, 32/33, has done equally well in the BF cabin. CO has got to be happy with the investment.

In my uneducated opinion, IAH-LHR has been a stronger performer than EWR-LHR thus far, but that is not very surprising. EWR-LHR does do well, regardless.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

I also think I'm a little surprised EWR-LHR isn't a 777 and a 764....

NS


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32202 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4438 times:



Quoting CMB320 (Reply 11):
Why is it such a far-fetched idea that they may bring it back?

A significant increase in trans-Atlantic service to Houston, including service to the Middle East that overflies Europe.



a.
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4438 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
2 (this Summer 3)

We will only have 2 LGW flights from EWR. Both on the 752.



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User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 408 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4338 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
A significant increase in trans-Atlantic service to Houston, including service to the Middle East that overflies Europe.

Obvious good point  Smile Makes sense.


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4317 times:



Quoting 777gk (Reply 14):
In my uneducated opinion, IAH-LHR has been a stronger performer than EWR-LHR thus far, but that is not very surprising. EWR-LHR does do well, regardless.

CO29 LHR-EWR is oversold tomorrow, and was all last weekend. It's doing very well, in both cabins.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4235 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
A significant increase in trans-Atlantic service to Houston, including service to the Middle East that overflies Europe.

Jim on the IAH Spotters group sent this email regarding Feb 08 traffic results released by Houston Airport System (HAS).

Quote:

The HAS released the February traffic figures today. First thing I wanted to look at was how well Emirates was doing. EK went daily on February 1 so the monthly numbers should reflect how strong the flight is doing. Certainly we won't see load factors in the 90-100% range like the last two months, but it will be interesting to see how much lower they went.

On the DXB-IAH sector, EK averaged 214 pax for its 29 flights in February. That comes out to a healthly 80% load factor. On the IAH-DXB sector, EK averaged 176 pax which is a 66% load factor.

With the flight now daily, the next question is did it take away any passengers from the "Big Four?" Recalling from the last two months the answer was "no." The answer is also "no" for February. Three of the four airlines saw increases in passengers in February 2008 over February 2007. Air France had a 1.66% decrease which is only 217 passengers. Clearly that's not significant enough to say EK "stole" their passengers.

So my belief is that EK isn't taking away any passengers from the "Big Four." Looks like the Emirates flight is a success and if this continues they should be a staple at IAH for a long time to come.  Smile

Looking at the "Big Four", I wanted to compare how each airline did in February. It's not possible to calculate load factors for them since most have multiple flights and in the case of LH, they have different configurations on their A346s. I don't know which one they use for IAH.

BA averaged 72 pax for each of their three flights to IAH. The average from IAH was 74 pax. I wouldn't worry too much about those figures. BA carries a lot of cargo in the belly of the 777, and it more than makes up for the low pax numbers.

KL averaged 140 pax to IAH and averaged 139 from IAH. This also includes the six-times weekly PrivatAir flight.

AF averaged 155 pax to IAH and 145 from IAH.

LH averaged 238 pax to IAH and 243 from IAH.

February is usually the weakest month of the year, so the numbers will start to pick up next month. You can see why Lufthansa is switching to the 747-400 next week. Even in a slow month they averaged a high number of passengers. It's slightly dilluted since they only have one daily flight while the others have 12x or 13x weekly, and in the case of BA, 19x weekly.

Looking forward to next month's traffic figures. We should get our first look at Singapore Airlines' load factor. Not only will we see the pax numbers but also if they are carrying very much cargo on the route.

While this was for Feb, It is possible for BA to introduce the 744, especially for one of the flights during peak time, at IAH. EK has not "stolen" any pax away from BA, AF, LH, or KL at IAH. We'll see how this picture changes based on Mar 08 results. Now the one that could change this picture is when Arik Air starts services to IAH.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21418 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4188 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 15):
I also think I'm a little surprised EWR-LHR isn't a 777 and a 764....

It swaps aircraft with IAH. So a plane goes EWR-LHR-IAH-LHR-EWR. That's why they have the 762 on the EWR-LHR route. It's also a daylight flight EWR-LHR, which has lower demand than the redeye.



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