Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3559 times:
Porbably better then the LGW loads. For $200 million in slots they better be.
ScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2383 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3499 times:
J loads busy, Y a bit up and down. I'm sure it'll pick up though as the summer progresses and the route develops. LGW consistently busy on the B764.
BlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2515 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3482 times:
Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 2): J loads busy, Y a bit up and down. I'm sure it'll pick up though as the summer progresses and the route develops. LGW consistently busy on the B764.
..and your source is...?
Not being pedantic, just curious where this info is from.
Ta
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Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3449 times:
I am more interested in BA's LHR loads. We would love to see one the 2 flights upgraded to a 744, here.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16264 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3420 times:
Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 4): Am I correct in that they are flying the 777 to LHR.....
ScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2383 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3398 times:
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 73 Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3398 times:
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5): We would love to see one the 2 flights upgraded to a 744, here.
Even if the loads are high (and I'm sure they are; and I'm sure yields are great), would BA really move a 744 from a route like Johannesburg, Los Angeles, or Miami to Houston? Probably not.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16264 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3345 times:
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9): I can't believe the 764 can manage this. I guess CO also fly em EWR-HNL which is a long way, up to nine hours. I just think of it as medium haul!
CO flies the 767-400 between IAH and AMS, as well as EWR-HNL. Both routes are longer than IAH-LGW.
CMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 402 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3309 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8): Even if the loads are high (and I'm sure they are; and I'm sure yields are great), would BA really move a 744 from a route like Johannesburg, Los Angeles, or Miami to Houston? Probably not.
Didn't BA fly the 744 to Houston for quite a while? Why is it such a far-fetched idea that they may bring it back?
RJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3290 times:
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9): I can't believe the 764 can manage this.
I flew flt15 from ewr to hnl a few years back in bf. I wouldn't have a problem doing it iah to lhr. I almost like the 764 better than the 777. Especially if you can get a middle seat in bf I sure think it's a prettier airplane.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3225 times:
IAH-LGW ain't that far... 4218nm.
CO I think is doing well by maintaining both LHR and LGW... especially from EWR. I am dubious of the value of it from IAH, but they may not have any reason not to.
777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 20 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3194 times:
IAH-AMS is the longest 764 route in the system, at times will be weight restricted.
As far as IAH-LHR, the loads on 4/5 have been more than healthy up front. Most flights have been going out 48/48 or 50/50 depending on ship, so obviously that's very promising. The later flight, 32/33, has done equally well in the BF cabin. CO has got to be happy with the investment.
In my uneducated opinion, IAH-LHR has been a stronger performer than EWR-LHR thus far, but that is not very surprising. EWR-LHR does do well, regardless.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3196 times:
I also think I'm a little surprised EWR-LHR isn't a 777 and a 764....
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3130 times:
CMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 402 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3030 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16): A significant increase in trans-Atlantic service to Houston, including service to the Middle East that overflies Europe.
LHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3009 times:
Quoting 777gk (Reply 14): In my uneducated opinion, IAH-LHR has been a stronger performer than EWR-LHR thus far, but that is not very surprising. EWR-LHR does do well, regardless.
CO29 LHR-EWR is oversold tomorrow, and was all last weekend. It's doing very well, in both cabins.
AznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3542 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2927 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16): A significant increase in trans-Atlantic service to Houston, including service to the Middle East that overflies Europe.
Jim on the IAH Spotters group sent this email regarding Feb 08 traffic results released by Houston Airport System (HAS).
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The HAS released the February traffic figures today. First thing I wanted to look at was how well Emirates was doing. EK went daily on February 1 so the monthly numbers should reflect how strong the flight is doing. Certainly we won't see load factors in the 90-100% range like the last two months, but it will be interesting to see how much lower they went.
On the DXB-IAH sector, EK averaged 214 pax for its 29 flights in February. That comes out to a healthly 80% load factor. On the IAH-DXB sector, EK averaged 176 pax which is a 66% load factor.
With the flight now daily, the next question is did it take away any passengers from the "Big Four?" Recalling from the last two months the answer was "no." The answer is also "no" for February. Three of the four airlines saw increases in passengers in February 2008 over February 2007. Air France had a 1.66% decrease which is only 217 passengers. Clearly that's not significant enough to say EK "stole" their passengers.
So my belief is that EK isn't taking away any passengers from the "Big Four." Looks like the Emirates flight is a success and if this continues they should be a staple at IAH for a long time to come.
Looking at the "Big Four", I wanted to compare how each airline did in February. It's not possible to calculate load factors for them since most have multiple flights and in the case of LH, they have different configurations on their A346s. I don't know which one they use for IAH.
BA averaged 72 pax for each of their three flights to IAH. The average from IAH was 74 pax. I wouldn't worry too much about those figures. BA carries a lot of cargo in the belly of the 777, and it more than makes up for the low pax numbers.
KL averaged 140 pax to IAH and averaged 139 from IAH. This also includes the six-times weekly PrivatAir flight.
AF averaged 155 pax to IAH and 145 from IAH.
LH averaged 238 pax to IAH and 243 from IAH.
February is usually the weakest month of the year, so the numbers will start to pick up next month. You can see why Lufthansa is switching to the 747-400 next week. Even in a slow month they averaged a high number of passengers. It's slightly dilluted since they only have one daily flight while the others have 12x or 13x weekly, and in the case of BA, 19x weekly.
Looking forward to next month's traffic figures. We should get our first look at Singapore Airlines' load factor. Not only will we see the pax numbers but also if they are carrying very much cargo on the route.
While this was for Feb, It is possible for BA to introduce the 744, especially for one of the flights during peak time, at IAH. EK has not "stolen" any pax away from BA, AF, LH, or KL at IAH. We'll see how this picture changes based on Mar 08 results. Now the one that could change this picture is when Arik Air starts services to IAH.
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Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2880 times:
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 15): I also think I'm a little surprised EWR-LHR isn't a 777 and a 764....
It swaps aircraft with IAH. So a plane goes EWR-LHR-IAH-LHR-EWR. That's why they have the 762 on the EWR-LHR route. It's also a daylight flight EWR-LHR, which has lower demand than the redeye.
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