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User currently offlineNWASkyking From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2315 times:

I'm currently working on my private pilots license at age 17 in response to my life long dream of becoming an airline pilot for a major airline like my dad. I plan on going to UND for schooling, which is where my dad went, and I hope to get hired by a major airline like NW, DL, UA, CO, AA ... just curious on some of your paths taken to becoming an airline pilot, and any advice on achieving my ultimate goal.


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2304 times:

UND's a great place, I have a couple buddies going to school up there.

How far are you into the private?? Have you taken the written test yet?? The one thing that has helped me get pretty good scores (above 90%) on those tests are the King Schools DVD's. John & Martha can be annoying as all hell sometimes, but for some reason their pointers stick in your head when it comes time to take the test. So, I'd definitely recommend looking into getting their stuff for private, instrument, commercial, etc.

Are you going to be doing ROTC or any military involvement?? I looked into the military but never followed through with it, so I guess I'll be a FLAP my entire life. (f**king light airplane pilot)  Wink



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2297 times:

3 words: Part Sixty-One. I've been around alot of university aviation programs, and I don't like a single thing about them. They're overpriced, clouded with red tape, and very strict. Nevermind the degree is useless anywhere else. I'd highly suggest looking into a part 61 flight school and doing your training on your terms, for a much better price.


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User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2261 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 1):
UND's a great place, I have a couple buddies going to school up there.

Do you?? I know some too haha.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
3 words: Part Sixty-One. I've been around alot of university aviation programs, and I don't like a single thing about them. They're overpriced, clouded with red tape, and very strict. Nevermind the degree is useless anywhere else. I'd highly suggest looking into a part 61 flight school and doing your training on your terms, for a much better price.

I'm not sure I would go that far. You get what you pay for. Aviation schools are strict because they want you to be the best! School like UND and ERAU not only prepare you to be the best pilot, they connect you with airlines, charter companies, cargo operators, and other job opportunities. You would be hard pressed to find a better place to network outside of a college campus. Your degree is actually something you could take to almost any career in the aviation industry. At UND or ERAU, you graduate with a B.S. in Aeronautics. You learn a lot more than just flying airplanes.


NWASkyKing, its really what you prefer. If you want to save some bucks and do all of you flight training (PPL, Instrument, Commerical, CFI, CFII, MEI and ATP) at a flight school, do it, but your honestly going to miss out on more than great training, not to mention the college experience. Your father is going to be your best source of knowledge. Visit the campus, ask tons of questions, and make your decision from there. Asking this forum will probably fill your head with more questions and more confusion. Almost half of this place is Pro-UND, the other Pro-ERAU, with a small margin in there of Part 61 fans.


User currently offlineFutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2255 times:

Going to a university program vs. an FBO has its plusses and minuses.

University programs tend to be very organized, generally provide good training, have decent aircraft and have connections with the airlines. On the negative, they don't provide much of a chance for "real world" flying, because often times they are more strict with their students than other schools. I've flown on many a day when the university program here wouldn't go due to winds/weather, etc. and it was within limits and safe. Having talked with a lot of the university pilots, who either have come over to the FBO side or moved on to an airline, they say that they were very sheltered going through training, and didn't get a chance to exercise their own PIC decision making skills until the stepped outside the university flight program. These programs also typically cost a TON of money. I've managed to get almost through a degree, all the way up to the CFI/CFII/MEI combined for less than a university program. I'll also walk away with a degree that I can use as a back up, should something happen that I cannot fly any longer (knock on wood that it wont). Not saying it is better or worse than going through an FBO, just a different route to take.

That being said, a decent FBO will allow you to complete your training for much, much less than another program, will provide you with instruction that is just as adequate if not better than a university program, and allow you to make just as many connections as you progress through your training. I can't count how many major, regional, fractional and corporate pilots I have met and keep in contact with just from working at an FBO for a short time.

The quality of instruction at each is debatable and depends highly upon the CFI you fly with. I know just as many outstanding CFIs at the FBO I teach at, as I do at the university, and I know equally as many who are there simply to put hours down in the ol' logbook and could care less about you getting quality training.

I guess, all said and done, you will get out of either route what you put into it. Work hard, maintain a good attitude and you will open as many doors through one, as you will through the other. Either way, you will end up with the tools and training you need to get to the airlines, whenever they start hiring again. Good luck, if you ever have any questions, feel free to ask.

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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2235 times:



Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 3):
Do you?? I know some too haha.

I wasn't counting you, Mr Phelps  Wink


PS~ You still haven't picked up these effing posters I got for you!! Fly your @$$ out to DEN again sometime!!



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2230 times:



Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 3):
Aviation schools are strict because they want you to be the best!

I don't mean strict as in high standards. I mean strict as in you get 2 hrs a week to fly, at this time, in this airplane. If the weather is bad, oh well, try again next week, but we'll take your money anyway. Oh, you have your PPL? Sorry, you still need to fly with one of our instructors. You can plan on your IFR cert. some time next year.

Maybe some people need that, but I've always been a fan of learning to fly on my own terms. Maybe that's just me.



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

I go to a small school in Iowa and it's nothing like UND and ERAU. I fly as much as I can afford, although it can be difficult getting a plane during peak times in September and in the spring. I came in with my private and on the first day of class did a short (1 hour) flight with an instructor to get me acclimated to the University, then the next day it was the basics of holding patterns. We use C172s, Socata Trinidads, and Piper Seminole aircraft, and we have a total of about 25 airplanes for roughly 250 students. Three of my friends and I took two planes for a three-day weekend in October and flew to Maine to visit some friends that go so school out there. I love the aviation program at my school because I've learned a LOT, but fun and extra flying is also very much encouraged. The most I've flown while being there for the past two years was seven days in a row and I logged about 22 hours in those seven days. There are many opportunities out there besides UND and ERAU, but if that's what you want more power to you, but I'm glad I ended up where I did.

User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

When studying for the FAA written, I recommend using the Gleim's study guide book. Nearly every question from the FAA test were in the study guide book. Even the sample sectionals were the same! If you have half a brain and go through the questions in the book twice, there's really no way you can fail.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21528 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2122 times:



Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
3 words: Part Sixty-One. I've been around alot of university aviation programs, and I don't like a single thing about them. They're overpriced, clouded with red tape, and very strict. Nevermind the degree is useless anywhere else.

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Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 3):
School like UND and ERAU not only prepare you to be the best pilot, they connect you with airlines, charter companies, cargo operators, and other job opportunities.

Except that with his dad as a pilot, he probably has many of those connections already, or could make them fairly easily.

Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 3):
your honestly going to miss out on more than great training, not to mention the college experience

If he goes to a regular college he'll get the college experience. I would take a look at the University of Illinois - the flight program is not as well known as the others, nor is it as in-depth, but the college itself is a great public school that will give you a degree in something that you can actually use should the aviation industry go down the tubes for a couple of years (and it will happen eventually - assuming you get hired at 25 you have 30 years until retirement, and there is no way that entire time will be smooth sailing). Plus, to be perfectly honest, much of the stuff you learn at UND or ERAU you can learn on your own in much less time with a simple textbook.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

I highly highly highly recommend getting a degree in something totally away from aviation. This is a career that can be gone in a blink of an eye and you should have some ability in another field. By all means pursue the flying but know how to do something else. F-word, busted medical, betting on the wrong airline, this is a profession that can be taken away easily so it is in your best interest to have a backup plan. That said by all means pursue the flying, it is a fun and challenging career but any of us in field will tell you to have something else as well. I have my degee in managment information systems. So again, just so I am clear, know how to do something else! Get your degree in business, science, engineering, whatever but do not focus only on aviation. Go to college and have a life outside of flying. Pursue flying on the outside and if it works out, it works out but you always have that backup plan. Good luck!

User currently offlineSNA752 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Mir- That's exactly right. Everything is on such thin ice right now, it would be hard to use an av-degree for something else. Not to say it isn't possible, I'm sure it is, just you have a much better chance to work somewhere with a more mainstream degree and a PPL as an added bonus.

That being said, I love flying and I fly with my grandpa all the time in his Mooney and 172. However, it is very expensive to fly here in Southern California, so I have opted to put off my PPL until after college. I really, really want to fly now, but I think it would be better to go to USC in the fall and be able to have my own plane and fly on my own time later down the road. This way I will have a degree from USC, great connections, hopefully a fantastic job, and a PPL as a kicker.

Just my $.02, but I would seriously consider Illinois (as previously stated), Michigan, Wisconsin, or some of those other big schools, save the bucks, and get the license and extra ratings on the side.



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User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2089 times:



Quoting NWASkyking (Thread starter):
I'm currently working on my private pilots license at age 17 in response to my life long dream of becoming an airline pilot for a major airline like my dad. I plan on going to UND for schooling, which is where my dad went, and I hope to get hired by a major airline like NW, DL, UA, CO, AA ... just curious on some of your paths taken to becoming an airline pilot, and any advice on achieving my ultimate goal.

All I will say is, don't let other people bring you down. They're out there, and they will try to rain negativity on you. Keep your goals in mind and do what YOU want to do.

There's no feeling like passing your private checkride... except passing your CFI checkride... or maybe shooting a single-engine partial panel ILS to minimums...


User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2066 times:



Quoting N766UA (Reply 6):
I don't mean strict as in high standards. I mean strict as in you get 2 hrs a week to fly, at this time, in this airplane. If the weather is bad, oh well, try again next week, but we'll take your money anyway. Oh, you have your PPL? Sorry, you still need to fly with one of our instructors. You can plan on your IFR cert. some time next year.

Hardly 2 hours a week, but if thats what you think...

I don't think that you really know how these schools operate, at least not UND. Does it suck to take a PPL refresher course? Yes, I did it. Am I a better pilot because of the education I got? Hell yes!

Until you experience it first hand, you really can't talk.


User currently offlineBingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2017 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 1):
John & Martha can be annoying as all hell

OMG THANK YOU !!! I didnt think anyone else felt this way about the King Videos. I sat through their Ham Radio DVDs and half way through the first section was trying to use the paper from my textbook to slit my wrists. I ended up reading the book in a day and nailing the test. I think waterboarding would be more enjoyable then sitting through another one of their DVDs.


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