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Last Piston Liner Pax Flight (USA?)  
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6383 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Hi,

Anyone know the last piston liner passenger flight in the USA by a part 121 carrier, what the date was, and what the type was?

I'm guessing, typewise, that it was probably a DC-6.

Thanks in advance for the responses!


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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6496 times:

I'm curious about this too. I suspect I'll be surprised by how recently it occurred (in relative terms, since I'm old!  Wink ).


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User currently offlineMark5388916 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Hmmm if you didn't say part 121 I would think there are some in-service with some Part 135 carriers... need to look into it.

Mark



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User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

AirNorth had scheduled 121 service until recently with a dc3.... YXY-JNU


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User currently offlineTwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

Was going to mention Buffalo airways, but that's entirely in canada. They have numerous rare pistons

User currently onlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2603 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6238 times:
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Well, DL ran -440's into 1970, so EA must have ditched theirs by then also. I don't recall what year EA got rid of their last Connie. SO nixed the Martins in favor of Metroliners (a big pr mistake----their regular pax. were pissed!) by the mid-seventies.
PT ops. their Martins and DC-3's well into the 1980's.

I'm not thinking I remember any -6's after about 1970 or so unless UA ops. a few out in California for local service? I think Mercer was gone by then.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6026 times:

Southern wasn't a "Part 121 carrier"? If they were I'm betting on them.

As I recall UA's end was 1970, all right.


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

Didn't the old F9 fly Martins into the early '80's until CO took over? Or am I a decade off?


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6383 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

I'm sure Texas International was also in the game pretty late with piston liners as well...


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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5926 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 7):
Didn't the old F9 fly Martins

Old Frontier, you mean? Offhand I'm guessing their last piston was gone by around 1970. (No Martins-- just Convairs.)

Think TT/TI had pistons after they changed their name?


User currently onlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2603 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5888 times:
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Quoting Timz (Reply 6):
Southern wasn't a "Part 121 carrier

Yeah, my mind drifted off course and I forgot about that detail----multi-tasking in the morning is not my strong point.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter):
I'm guessing, typewise, that it was probably a DC-6.

I think you're looking much more current then that. What does Cape Air fly their Cessna 402's..? PBA flew DC-3's into the late 1980's

Quoting Timz (Reply 6):
Southern wasn't a "Part 121 carrier"?

When did the FAA / CAB form the Part 121 regulations..? If some what current, we should use the same standard as ws used back in the prop days.

[Edited 2008-06-23 11:43:24]


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6383 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5865 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
What does Cape Air fly their Cessna 402's..?

Okay, I'm gonna say "With round engines" as a new qualifier Big grin

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
PBA flew DC-3's into the late 1980's

Fair enough, but was PBA flying the -3's under part 121?



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Somebody better explain what a Part 121 carrier is. I assume it rules out C402s and suchlike?

User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Yes, old Frontier. I don't know how I got the Convair confused with the Martin. I'm just thinking of an F/A I knew who flies for F9 now, but started way back in the day flying on the Convairs and worked through CO and now with the newer F9. I didn't think there were too many turbo Convairs or am I getting my history backward? I'll have to look it up.

I was also in recurrent F/A training a few years back with an ex Ozark stewardess for real, (and she preferred to be called stewardess) and when she was a young stew flew on Convairs, and I think even DC-3's. Then she went to TWA and flew on 74's, now, if she hasn't retired yet, still flying for Trans States on 145's. The last thing I remember Ozark flying the first time I lived in St Louis were Metroliners, and I think those wound up going to Trans States when Trans States was new. Then again, Metro's are turbos so I guess that doesn't count.

As far as freight goes, I used to see a Convair over by UPS ramp (if I remember right) in PIT.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 14):
Somebody better explain what a Part 121 carrier is. I assume it rules out C402s and suchlike?

Nope.. Part 121 is a Scheduled Air Carrier. If Cape Air flies scheduled routes with their 402's they can be Part 121. You can also be Part 121 and never carry a passenger.....FedEx, DHL, UPS.

[Edited 2008-06-23 11:46:14]


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User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 973 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

PBA were flying DC-3s around Florida in 1987 with "Eastern Express" branding.

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

So we might as well forget "Part 121" and just ask if they're in the OAG?

I forget how late PBA had scheduled DC3s, but it was at least the 1980s all right.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Cape flies the 402's Part 135... the ATR's 121


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6383 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5807 times:



Quoting Timz (Reply 9):
Think TT/TI had pistons after they changed their name?

Mea Culpa, I stand corrected, I thought a CV-600 was a pistonliner, but after looking it up, I found out it was a CV-340 converted to Rolls-Royce Dart power (I previously thought all Convair Dart conversions were CV-680's).



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter):
Anyone know the last piston liner passenger flight in the USA by a part 121 carrier

There has been no 'last'... looks like they're still flying. Just did a search on the FAA web site and found several DC-6, C-46's etc.... flying Part 121 running around Alaska

[Edited 2008-06-23 12:16:45]


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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5740 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 13):
Okay, I'm gonna say "With round engines" as a new qualifier

Big, round, loud engines! And no real "tail" pipe!



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5735 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 23):
There has been no 'last'... looks like they're still flying. Just did a search on the FAA web site and found several DC-6, C-46's etc.... flying Part 121 running around Alaska

Everts and Northern Air Cargo round piston engine a/c may be part 121, but I'm almost certain they don't fly paying passengers, only freight and fuel tankering.



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5704 times:



Quoting Timz (Reply 9):
Think TT/TI had pistons after they changed their name?

Almost -- but not quite... The name change from Trans Texas airlines (TTa; aka Tree Top airlines Wink) to Texas International took effect in 1969. All of TTa's "round engine" (piston-powered) Convair 240s had been converted to turboprop-powered Convair 600 standards by the end of 1968.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5678 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21):
I found out it was a CV-340 converted to Rolls-Royce Dart power (I previously thought all Convair Dart conversions were CV-680's).

Hmm..... I always thought the 600 was a converted 240..... boarding stairs behing co-pilot, not pilot, like the 340 and 440. Some 340's may have had darts. I dont know that one.

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25 Viscount724 : Not quite. You have some of the numbers wrong. The CV-600 was a CV-240 with R-R Darts. The CV640 was either a -340 or 440 with R-R Darts. By far the
26 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Several sources say the last 4-engine scheduled piston service by a major U.S. carrier was a TWA L749A from JFK to St. Louis and Kansas City on April
27 Post contains images Isitsafenow : I have to second this about the TWA connies. I was working for TW when the last flight came in with pax.. N6020C. If I remember right, the flight ter
28 Post contains images Viscount724 : You may well be right re the June/67 date for TW's last L1649 freighter service. I found the photos below dated June 1967 of the aircraft that other
29 Timz : United's DC-6/DC-6B flight to Elko-Ely lasted until at least 1969-- probably 1970-- before being replaced by a Frontier CV580.
30 Srbmod : Eastern retired their last Connie in 1968. They retired the DC-7s by 1965.
31 Viscount724 : Yes, looks like those sources referring to TWA as the last major U.S. carrier operating piston equipment are wrong. I found two sources (quoted below
32 Tango-Bravo : Interestingly, U.S. airlines generally retired their newer DC-7s before their older Connies and DC-6s. Due to their complex turbo-compound engines, t
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