Mark5388916 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
Hmmm if you didn't say part 121 I would think there are some in-service with some Part 135 carriers... need to look into it.
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ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1230 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4021 times:
Well, DL ran -440's into 1970, so EA must have ditched theirs by then also. I don't recall what year EA got rid of their last Connie. SO nixed the Martins in favor of Metroliners (a big pr mistake----their regular pax. were pissed!) by the mid-seventies.
PT ops. their Martins and DC-3's well into the 1980's.
I'm not thinking I remember any -6's after about 1970 or so unless UA ops. a few out in California for local service? I think Mercer was gone by then.
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ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1230 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3671 times:
Quoting Timz (Reply 6): Southern wasn't a "Part 121 carrier
Yeah, my mind drifted off course and I forgot about that detail----multi-tasking in the morning is not my strong point.
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Xtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 942 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3648 times:
Yes, old Frontier. I don't know how I got the Convair confused with the Martin. I'm just thinking of an F/A I knew who flies for F9 now, but started way back in the day flying on the Convairs and worked through CO and now with the newer F9. I didn't think there were too many turbo Convairs or am I getting my history backward? I'll have to look it up.
I was also in recurrent F/A training a few years back with an ex Ozark stewardess for real, (and she preferred to be called stewardess) and when she was a young stew flew on Convairs, and I think even DC-3's. Then she went to TWA and flew on 74's, now, if she hasn't retired yet, still flying for Trans States on 145's. The last thing I remember Ozark flying the first time I lived in St Louis were Metroliners, and I think those wound up going to Trans States when Trans States was new. Then again, Metro's are turbos so I guess that doesn't count.
As far as freight goes, I used to see a Convair over by UPS ramp (if I remember right) in PIT.
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EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3639 times:
Quoting Timz (Reply 14): Somebody better explain what a Part 121 carrier is. I assume it rules out C402s and suchlike?
Nope.. Part 121 is a Scheduled Air Carrier. If Cape Air flies scheduled routes with their 402's they can be Part 121. You can also be Part 121 and never carry a passenger.....FedEx, DHL, UPS.
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KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5929 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3590 times:
Quoting Timz (Reply 9): Think TT/TI had pistons after they changed their name?
Mea Culpa, I stand corrected, I thought a CV-600 was a pistonliner, but after looking it up, I found out it was a CV-340 converted to Rolls-Royce Dart power (I previously thought all Convair Dart conversions were CV-680's).
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EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3551 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter): Anyone know the last piston liner passenger flight in the USA by a part 121 carrier
There has been no 'last'... looks like they're still flying. Just did a search on the FAA web site and found several DC-6, C-46's etc.... flying Part 121 running around Alaska
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Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2296 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3518 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 23): There has been no 'last'... looks like they're still flying. Just did a search on the FAA web site and found several DC-6, C-46's etc.... flying Part 121 running around Alaska
Everts and Northern Air Cargo round piston engine a/c may be part 121, but I'm almost certain they don't fly paying passengers, only freight and fuel tankering.
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Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3725 posts, RR: 31 Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3487 times:
Quoting Timz (Reply 9): Think TT/TI had pistons after they changed their name?
Almost -- but not quite... The name change from Trans Texas airlines (TTa; aka Tree Top airlines ) to Texas International took effect in 1969. All of TTa's "round engine" (piston-powered) Convair 240s had been converted to turboprop-powered Convair 600 standards by the end of 1968.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3461 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21): I found out it was a CV-340 converted to Rolls-Royce Dart power (I previously thought all Convair Dart conversions were CV-680's).
Hmm..... I always thought the 600 was a converted 240..... boarding stairs behing co-pilot, not pilot, like the 340 and 440. Some 340's may have had darts. I dont know that one.
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25 Viscount724: Not quite. You have some of the numbers wrong. The CV-600 was a CV-240 with R-R Darts. The CV640 was either a -340 or 440 with R-R Darts. By far the
26 Viscount724: Several sources say the last 4-engine scheduled piston service by a major U.S. carrier was a TWA L749A from JFK to St. Louis and Kansas City on April
27 Isitsafenow: I have to second this about the TWA connies. I was working for TW when the last flight came in with pax.. N6020C. If I remember right, the flight ter
28 Viscount724: You may well be right re the June/67 date for TW's last L1649 freighter service. I found the photos below dated June 1967 of the aircraft that other
29 Timz: United's DC-6/DC-6B flight to Elko-Ely lasted until at least 1969-- probably 1970-- before being replaced by a Frontier CV580.
30 Srbmod: Eastern retired their last Connie in 1968. They retired the DC-7s by 1965.
31 Viscount724: Yes, looks like those sources referring to TWA as the last major U.S. carrier operating piston equipment are wrong. I found two sources (quoted below
32 Tango-Bravo: Interestingly, U.S. airlines generally retired their newer DC-7s before their older Connies and DC-6s. Due to their complex turbo-compound engines, t
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