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User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Dear All,

Last week i was on a VS flight MCO-MAN and the Cabin Manager "orderded us" ,via 3 PA announcements , to close our Window blinds so as to allow everyone to sleep. Not many people did this as it was 7.30pm so in the final PA was the hidden message "the Crew will have to come and do it, and we wont be happy about it!!"
I found it rude, and and quite offensive. Basically they wanted us all asleep asap. I choose a window for the exact reason of being able to look out of the dam thing, enjoy the scenery, and take photos! On a side-note, im slightly Claustrophobic, and therefore an outside view, even if dark, relaxes me somewhat. I was forced to close mine as the announcements were so frequent, passengers were looking at me as mine was the only one open and i felt rather intimidated.

So, my question is....

1) Whats your views on this.

2) Which Airlines (pref long-haul) are really stringent, or lax, on this.

3) Can the Crew really inforce this?

I fly a mix of Y/C across the Atlantic and im finding it more and more commom, even in C!!

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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7176 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3584 times:
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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Open them all, period! Sleep, who can sleep on an airplane unless you've been over served your favorite adult beverage!  Smile


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User currently offlineHenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3567 times:



Quoting SKORD (Thread starter):
I fly a mix of Y/C across the Atlantic and im finding it more and more commom, even in C!!

I find it extremely rude if pax refuse to close their blinds. One open window will light up the entire cabin ruining it for everybody else. So in my opinion it should be enforced (as it luckily is with many airlines) especially on red-eyes.

You (luckily) will find very few passengers in C (and hardly any in F) who do not respect this unwritten etiquette. I suggest you do next time. It will help keep passengers happy.

(It has nothing to do with the crew needing a rest and wanting you out for the night. They will be harassed by passengers to get you to close the blinds and they want to avoid that.)



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User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3555 times:



Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 3):
It will help keep passengers happy.

... will not keep me happy nor the thread starter!

I too like to look outside the window when in window seat. Especially if it is sunset or sunrise!
Yes, maybe little bit unpolite for the people who like to sleep and can not sleep when it's light (which I assume are anyway minority) but on the other hand it's unpolite for the people who like to look outside (who also are a minority)!
Which minority is it more appropriate to annoy? Good question...



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User currently offlineHenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

No, it is not a question. That is why the crew ask passengers to close their blinds, you see? That is also why people with the blinds open are ALWAYS but a few in Y, hardly (if) any in C and probably none in F.

For the life of me I cannot imagine how window passengers cannot be a substantial minority on any long flight anyways. Most seats are not window seats. You cannot make the argument that the same amount op people want to be woken up by sunrise or cannot go to sleep before sunset because you and very few others want to see the bloody thing. Besides, even when passengers don't sleep, keeping the cabin dark will help prevent jet lag. Try talking to a flight attendant who flies across the Atlantic often.

On a day flight I find it open for debate, but even on my last day flight (MRU-LHR in F) everyone politely closed their blinds for those passengers wanting to sleep.

Shut the blind please, it is common courtesy.

[Edited 2008-06-25 03:19:00]


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User currently offlineMauiman31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3538 times:
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AA started having all blinds pulled at boarding - during warm weather months and destinations to keep the plane cooler - save on the ac pre-takeoff. I also find that a bit claustrophobic (particularly at boarding) and usually go a head and raise the shade at my seat once I am seated. No one has said anything when I have done that on AA.

Long haul movie watching and sleeping. . . well, by that part of the flight it doesn't bother me and I comply.

Can they inforce it? Well, as discussed many times here, I would be hesitant to disobey any directive from a US carrier crew member, unless prepared for the consequences.


User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3534 times:

On day flights we recommend it to reduce glare on the IFE screens, but on night flights we enforce it because all it takes is one person to open their blind when the sun is rising and you can wake up a dozen other customers who end up moaning at the crew like they should do something about it, that is why we as crew make such a big deal out keeping them closed until breakfast.

We don't mind a customer having a little peek outside, but trust me, I have done enough flights to know that at 37000 ft up, it all looks the same the whole way across the atlantic at night and you may fall asleep and leave it open, then I have to reach over you, waking you and the two people sitting next to you to either try and close it myself or have you snap at me when I wake you to close it because the sun is shining in someones face on the other side of the cabin.

The crew aren't being difficult, it's just that we have as many as 400 people to have to consider, it's about more than just one person wanting to have a look at the sunrise.

Whatever the situation, it does not excuse unprofessional PAs being made throughout the cabin by the crew or rude and uncooperative passengers who don't consider the comfort of the passengers around them.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Sorry folks - if you want to sleep on a flight, bring along a blindfold and noise-cancelling earphones.

If it's a red-eye flight, the shades shouldn't make that much difference.

If it's a daytime flight, the window seat should have the decision as to whether or not the shade is up or down. If you've booked the flight just to see the movie, you've got MAJOR problems...

If the airline wants the shades pulled at the terminal to keep the plane cool, then PULL THEM DOWN.

As for the VS flight crew, you should have reported them. If it was 3 AM, that's one thing...but 7:30 PM? Gimme a break!!



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3496 times:



Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 5):
No, it is not a question. That is why the crew ask passengers to close their blinds, you see?

No, I don't see.

Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 5):
That is also why people with the blinds open are ALWAYS but a few in Y, hardly (if) any in C and probably none in F.

Your point is?

Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 5):
sunset because you and very few others want to see the bloody thing.

This is how it works, I book my ticket and I make an effort to get a window seat so I can enjoy the flight. Get it? Don't like it, bring an eyeshade.

Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 3):
You (luckily) will find very few passengers in C (and hardly any in F) who do not respect this unwritten etiquette. I suggest you do next time. It will help keep passengers happy.

It won't keep me happy. I paid my hard earned money for that ticket and I will do everything I can to enjoy the flight, and if that means "annoying" a few people because of the forbidden daylight, so be it, they can deal with it.

I've done well over 100 Trans Atlantic flights and have never had an issue with any fellow passengers and my window blind staying open.

A sunrise at 30 000ft over the North Atlantic is something that I don't see everyday and its amazing, I suggest on your next flight you should risk breaking your "unwritten etiquette" and enjoy it, you may even realize why some of us actually enjoy flying with out 100 channels of PTV and a fully reclining seat.



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User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Sorry now but I'll have to agree with SKORD. You are perfectly entitled to have your window blind whatever way you want especially when you paid for the seat. I would find it offensive too to tell you the truth if cabin crew "forced" me to close it. I know there are safety regulations to have all window blinds open during certain times (takeoff and landing) and tbh blinds open wouldn't really affect sleepers with noise, cabin lighting etc. At night (which is the time most people sleep) there should be no problems as its dark out anyway.


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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

The only time(s) that I have been asked to keep my window blind closed was back in the pre-AVOD (or at least pre seatback entertainment) days so that people stood a chance of being able to see whatever movie we were forced to watch on the main cabin screen. I can't believe that you were asked to keep yours closed at 7:30pm so that people could sleep...who on earth would be trying to sleep at that time of day?? That's both ridiculous and unacceptable.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3470 times:
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Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
As for the VS flight crew, you should have reported them.

Interesting. Who would you like them reported to? The window blind police perhaps? Maybe the FBI?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24670 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3467 times:



Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 3):
Quoting SKORD (Thread starter):
I fly a mix of Y/C across the Atlantic and im finding it more and more commom, even in C!!

I find it extremely rude if pax refuse to close their blinds. One open window will light up the entire cabin ruining it for everybody else. So in my opinion it should be enforced (as it luckily is with many airlines) especially on red-eyes.

That problem will be solved on the 787 as the crew will be able to override the individual passenger controls of the electronic window dimming system.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3465 times:
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Quoting BAViscount (Reply 11):
who on earth would be trying to sleep at that time of day??

.....people crossing multiple time zones at over 30,000ft, confined to a metal tube for many long hours?



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3699 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

I'm torn a little on this issue...on a dayflight if you want to sleep then use the eyeshades they give you or bring some of your own. I think too often airlines want to bring the eyeshades down just to get people to sleep so there is less service to be performed. I was on an NRT-SIN flight earlier in the month. All dayflight only about 6hrs, left at midday Tokyo time and arrived at 5pm Singapore time yet the windowshades were pulled down!? In addition I find it annoying when airlines ask you to pull the shades down on a dayflight so passengers can watch 'Kangaroo Jack' or some Hollywood junk they put on. That's what I don't agree with. I've actuallly contested it with flight attendants in the past and they've never asked me to pull them down after explaining. I try to make sure I am looking out the window quite a bit or taking photos of what is going on and I'll pull down extra windowshades leaving the one right beside me (partially) open. I think what they are trying to avoid is passengers who don't care about the view leaving the shade open.

If I've got the impression crews aren't understanding and I really want to see what is going on then I'll open the window and put a blanket over my head which helps to keep quite a bit of the light out.

On a night flight however pull the shade down unless you are watching the Aurora Borealis...one window shade open just a touch can really disturb everyone else when the sun comes up. If you really want to see the sun rise or something else then pull a blanket over your head.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
Sorry folks - if you want to sleep on a flight, bring along a blindfold and noise-cancelling earphones.

If it's a red-eye flight, the shades shouldn't make that much difference.

Do you have curtains in your bedroom?

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 11):
I can't believe that you were asked to keep yours closed at 7:30pm so that people could sleep...who on earth would be trying to sleep at that time of day??


Someone might have flown in from some far outpost and is only halfway through their journey.

However, as with many things I believe the needs of the majority need to be catered for primarily and with overnight longhauls it is fair to say the majority of people, especially a MCO-MAN flight won't be dying for a kip at 6.30pm.

[Edited 2008-06-25 20:32:46]


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User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

We all pay a LOT of money to take these flights. I work hard all year to take my trips, and a HUGE part of my enjoyment is the flight experience. Im quite sure every Transatlantic Airline provides eye-masks for all passengers, so why dont they use them?

If, what Viscount724 says is true, then i will try to avoid 787 flights at all cost! I love watching the Sunset/sunrise... thats the magic of flying! You get to see things you simply can not experience from the ground. I fly with my Partner all the time, he sleeps on all our Trans Atlantic flights without a problem, and our Window Blind being open is not a problem.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1003 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3440 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 1):
t helps save fuel for the airline and keeps ticket prices low.

Nah, it doesn't  Wink BUT maybe they can charge $5 to have the shades up? That would off-set additional fuel costs! Oh, and to make it more efficient, they can charge $5 per 3 hours or so....

Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 3):
find it extremely rude if pax refuse to close their blinds.

And I find it extremely rude if pax or crew demand me to have them down!

Quoting DABZF (Reply 4):
will not keep me happy nor the thread starter!

count me in!

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 7):
it's just that we have as many as 400 people to have to consider

Many airlines have 400 pax to consider, and have done so for many years. the blinds-down crap only emerged in recent years. I think there are two possible reasons:

1. no glare on PTVs
2. get pax to sleep asap, so they consume less and are less demanding

Quoting SKORD (Reply 16):
then i will try to avoid 787 flights at all cost!

Me too! I'll fly it to experience it - once! Or, on airlines who don't do that crap...

Sorry, I am totally against such the blinds down enforcement, except for specific reasons, such as safety (take-off and landing) and sitting on the tarmac and prevent the aircraft to get boiling hot...

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3427 times:
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Quoting SKORD (Reply 16):
Im quite sure every Transatlantic Airline provides eye-masks for all passengers, so why dont they use them?

Well, maybe in the 70's pal. If you want some today you'll probably be charged about $20 for the privilege.



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User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3422 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
Sorry folks - if you want to sleep on a flight, bring along a blindfold and noise-cancelling earphones.

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Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 17):
And I find it extremely rude if pax or crew demand me to have them down!

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. If I want to see a sunrise in flight, I get about a couple chances a year. How often do you sleep in a year? More than twice? Then deal with it another way..buy some good eyeshades or something.

Sometimes I am unfortunate enough to have a crew that forces pax to shut the blinds. Mine go back up halfway within 5 minutes. If that's a bit too bright, I open them a bit every 5-10 minutes to look outside, whcih probably wakes up more people than just leaving it up at all times. I try to respect that some people are sleeping by making sure my head blocks as much light as possible or using a blanket, etc. But what I will not do is leave it down for an entire flight, even if it is 8 hours of darkness.

If 787 windows just dim, but the outside world is still visible that is fine. If they completely blacken the view, then that'll be a very sad thing.



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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3420 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
Quoting BAViscount (Reply 11):
who on earth would be trying to sleep at that time of day??

.....people crossing multiple time zones at over 30,000ft, confined to a metal tube for many long hours?



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 15):
Someone might have flown in from some far outpost and is only halfway through their journey.

But you could potentially apply that logic to any flight. Who knows where your fellow passengers may have connected from on your short hop from XXX to YYY and what time their body clocks are still set to. You wouldn't find them asking you to close your blinds for that reason on an afternoon hop from London to Dublin for example (although I realise that would be impossible on an FR flight!  Wink ).

Creating a false sleeping environment at 7:30pm is not going to make people sleep if they're just not tired.



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

I've found cheap eyemasks at every international airport I've ever visited since I can remember. And the best thing? they're re-usable!

I can kinda see the reason for asking for the blinds to be closed at night (10:00pm at place of departure onwards), especially towards the middle-rear of the aircraft when someone may have the flash of the rotating beacon reflected off the winglet stright into their eyes, but not in the day, and not in the evening.

Yes, there is nothing to stop you putting a blanket over your head as you look out. Unless of course, the person next to you wants to look out at the same time.

If airlines seek to minimise your control of the window, they should charge discounted ammounts for window seats, not charge extra for an option they refuse to give you.

I do like the external cameras some aircraft have these days. I do know they are primarily for cockpit use, but it would perhaps be nice if each camera view could be always viewable on the seatback tv screens in dedicated channels. If they do insist on closing blinds, there should at least be some means of external view. The reason we put dozens of structural weakspots known as windows in these aluminium tubes called aeroplanes is so people do not get disorientated and sickly after all. Why are they there if they are not allowed to do the job?


User currently offlineHenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3410 times:

Again: closing the blinds helps to prevent jet-lag. Not only for passengers, but also for the hard working attendants.

Also it is just etiquette on long flights, but not one most of the more passionate posters have heard of. Luckily I fly in C or F and these travellers are either more seasoned, more polite or share a common desire to arrive rested.

The logic is as follows: one passenger opening his blinds will inconvenience many. The need of the many out-way the need of the one (or few).

All passengers have paid money to be transported from A to B. I think that passengers who travel for work instead of pleasure may have even spend a lot more. You have not paid to watch a beautiful sunset or sunrise. You paid to be transported and that is what you are getting.

Mind you: I like the view too. I sometimes feel annoyed too if the shades are going down too early or are kept down very long. I choose to respect the comfort of my fellow passengers over my own desire to gaze at the sun.

On a day flight I find it utter nonsense, but on a red-eye (especially eastwards, where the night is shorter) it is just plain rude to follow the me-myself-I-logic I read here.



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User currently offlinePITIngres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1115 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3393 times:



Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 22):
closing the blinds helps to prevent jet-lag.

Nonsense.

Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 22):
one passenger opening his blinds will inconvenience many.

I have no problem with inconveniencing "many" if they a) really need to sleep in daylight and b) are too inconsiderate of others to bring their own eyemasks.

I have closed my blinds when the sun angle is causing distress to others, and I'll gladly put it partway down on a polar flight that's in daylight for most if not all of the flight. Beyond that, forget it. If someone needs sleep that badly they should expect to rely on their own resources, and not expect me to cater to them. (Especially a "business" traveler, who if a frequent flyer really ought to realize these things.)



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User currently offlineHenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Quoting PITIngres (Reply 23):
Nonsense.

Well, if you say so... You really don't know that creating a long artificial night on a eastbound flight helps people to reset their biological clock or do you just want to have it your way?

Here is a quote:
Create as dark an environment on the plane as possible. Bright lights have a strong effect on a person's body clock. [...] Closing the window shade and turning off the overhead cabin lights may also help. Sleep on the plane if your flight has an early morning arrival time.

I am glad there are so few passengers like you. Me, me, me, me, me....

I bring my shades, I bring my earplugs. Luckily I get the PJs from the airline.   Still find it more restfull if the cabin is dark and I can assure you a lot of passengers agree with me. Do you think cabin crew ask you to close the blind because nobody wants it? How stubborn can you be.

Anyways, 'nough said. I will never convince the people who only care about their view. Only you can look outside. Only rows A and J (or whatever the other side is). Not anybody else. So it is just you and you alone who benefits. Nobody else. Keep that in mind the next time you so gloriously open the blind and think 'to hell with the rest of the world, I want my view!'

EDIT:

Just out of curiousity please tell me what you would do in the following scenario's:

1. All other blinds in the plane are shut, indicating the majority of the plane wants to sleep. Would you comply?

2. Three passengers in your area ask you to close the blind in scenario 1 (indicating a strong desire and a majority). Would you comply?

3. Three passengers in your area ask you to close the blind but some (but only a few) other blinds are open too. You could make a case for yourself or make 3 passengers happy. Would you comply?

[Edited 2008-06-26 11:52:05]


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25 Ushermittwoch : What airline would that have benn on, since all airlines serving MRU from LHR offer only a J product as their highest service tier, unless you classi
26 Post contains links and images Henkybaby : That would be BA. They fly a 4 class 747. Look it up. More here; http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/127612/ And for th
27 ACDC8 : Heres the thing, everyone who books a ticket has a chance at a window seat. You don't want it then deal with the fact that someone who actually enjoy
28 Post contains images Henkybaby : You are indeed. But you're German so that is to be expected!  And I am glad you finally found out that leaving the blind open is about as anti-social
29 ACDC8 : Living in Canada, German flag is on my profile for the Euro 2008, which reminds me, is Holland still in the playoffs? Has absolutly nothing to do wit
30 Henkybaby : In that light my little playful remark was intended... As I said, not too many issues with it in C or F. And indeed: lets agree to disagree. We can r
31 PITIngres : Nope. Most likely leave my blind partly open in all cases. I might close it most of the way for a while if we're in a cloud deck and there's nothing
32 Henkybaby : How is that different? What if I want to see the activity at the airport?
33 ZKEOJ : or those people will never convince you because you only care about your view.... you you you.... by now we realised that you fly C and J..... the fa
34 RussianJet : True, but if you do want to get sleep then it will help. If you don't want to sleep there's still plenty of other things you can do.
35 HorizonGirl : I think that it is ridiculous to "force" passengers to close their window blinds. Although it is important that some passengers sleep, even though I h
36 IAHFLYR :
37 FlyboyOz : Well...Cathay Pacific, Qantas, ANZ and Singapore airlines crew always keep asking pax to close the windows...that's normal.
38 ACDC8 : Well, maybe I want to have a quick power nap during taxi from or to the runway. Theres nothing to agree or disagree on. You like your shade down, I l
39 SKORD : ACDC8!! I agree with your views 100%!!!!! I just wish i had the guts to follow your ideas through. Im glad that you are on my side however............
40 Henkybaby : My references to J and F where not meant to illustrate my class of travel (I fly Y a lot too) but where a (unsuccessful) attempt to illustrate that mo
41 ACDC8 : Why not? Please define a "seasoned traveller"? If we're taliking frequent flyers here, then I'm more than seasoned. "Seasoned travellers" each have t
42 Henkybaby : ACDC8: I get it. You are one tough cookie! Your mother will be proud. I always have a window seat, but that won't help. As I said: one window 2 rows a
43 PITIngres : I suppose I should let this go, but let's try one more time. The thing is, this other hypothetical passenger who hypothetically has a burning desire
44 Post contains images Vasu : Don't VS give out free eyeshades...? ... so what's the problem with open window shades??
45 ACDC8 : She is, thanks! Guess what? Other then yourself and maybe a few others, no one else is bothered. You're just assuming that others are bothered becaus
46 Henkybaby : In this thread, yes. That's why I suggested you check with your fellow passengers next time. Just in case I got misinterpreted: I don't care if the b
47 Iairallie : On my airline it is a request not a requirement. To make IFE viewing better and to allow others to sleep. I travel with an eyemask or toss my pashmina
48 ACDC8 : I've asked, its never bothered anyone. I'll take experience over some opinion I've read online any day. The only thing you've expreseed is arrogance
49 Higgi91 : WOW, what they going to do? throw peanuts at you and, if it was dark outside then why did they need to close the blinds anyway!? unless you are over
50 Viscount724 : Yes you do but it's not very considerate if all other passengers except you are sleeping (or trying to) on a long overnight flight when the sun can c
51 Mir : I believe that windows are for looking out of, and I don't like being told to close them in flight. I do try to be sensitive to others - if the sun is
52 ArmitageShanks : I will lower them on the ground if its hot in the plane. I will also lower them during daylight flights where a lot of people are trying to sleep or w
53 Post contains images Henkybaby : I don't think there is much point discussing this on a site mainly populated with airline enthusiasts.  I am somewhat surprised that so few people he
54 ACDC8 : I'll make you a deal, anytime I have an upcoming flight, I'll just email you my flight details so we won't be on the same aircraft and have to contin
55 Henkybaby : Mail me only if you are on a night flight! Otherwise I would be more than happy to discuss this over a cool beer!
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