HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6472 posts, RR: 27 Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4760 times:
Quoting AlexEU (Thread starter): I am just curious how many a.nutters would feel safe on flying Spanair MD-82 after all the troubles that airline went through?
I think, the A.nutters probably are the wrong bunch of people to ask, as I suspect there will be only few negative answers ...
If you ask John Doe (or {i]Jorge Dominguez[/i] in this case), the share of negative answers likely will be higher.
Yes vs No:
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-HT
Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
CairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 337 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4758 times:
Yes....I would have no problem flying aboard one. The same can be said about an American A300 or a USAirways 737-300. Even with high profile crashes, you still stand more of a chance to be killed in a car crash on your own street.
SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3382 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4757 times:
Of course I would. Just because they had one crash doesn't make them less safe than any other European airline of its size.
People have never stopped flying an aircraft because of a crash, needless to say that most people can't tell the difference between ie. an A320 and a 737 anyway.
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 18 Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4745 times:
Of course I would, with no hesitation whatsoever. If anything, I might feel a bit more confident as everyone associated with operating or flying the MD-82 might be more alert than normal.
I recall that in 1979 following a series of accidents, in particular the AA crash at ORD, the DC-10 was grounded by the FAA and CAA amongst others. The media went overboard to question the safety of the DC-10 and as a result when the type certificate was restored, the public was initially reluctant to fly in a DC-10. To prove just how safe the DC-10 was, on the day the CAA restored its type certificate Laker Airways operated a charter flight from LGW-HER and Sir Freddie Laker insisted that his family and many staff were passengers on this flight, inviting the Press along and saying something along the lines "If it's safe for my family, then it's safe for everyone.". When asked if I would be willing to go, I did not hesitate for a second to respond positively - it made a change from working that day!
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16574 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4720 times:
BA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4707 times:
I would have no problem with flying on a Spanair MD-82
I think until the full investigation report comes out it is unfair for any person, even someone with little knowledge of the industry, to condemn JK and brand them unsafe. And even then, mistakes happen, things are overlooked and things go wrong. Personally I would be surprised if JK turned out to be at fault but even if they were I would have no problem with flying with them. Chances are if they do turn out to be at fault, they will strive to make amends and become safer. The likes of AS and AA have had crashes related to poor maintenance etc, and I think the ensuing outcry probably pushed them to be that bit safer than the rest of the pack.
JK are an EU registered and regulated airline and therefore on a same level as every other European airline in terms of safety. Chances are if they do turn out to be at fault, every other airline in Europe will probably make the same mistakes daily just without the consequences.
GST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 927 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4688 times:
Spanair operates under the EU regulations, and that is alright for me. Yes, If I was offered a flight on a Spanair MD-82 tomorrow I'd take it instantly. I'd even take the camera and write a trip report for the other A.nutters!
Quoting HT (Reply 2): I think, the A.nutters probably are the wrong bunch of people to ask
Absolutely correct sir. I do think that most people would say they would, but the proportion would be down against asking people if they feel safe on Virgin Atlantic, or even Ryanair. People do know that air travel is safe. They have had the flying vs car risk statistics crammed down their throats since time immemorial. Its just humans naturally have a dread attraction to talking about and finding out about plane crashes. You can see it on A.net more than anywhere. If there is a crash or incident anywhere in the world, you can bet a good portion of the time there is a thread running here before the local news where it happened gets wind.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4683 times:
AlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1791 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4667 times:
I guess that I posted this on wrong forum !! a.nutters would fly on anything that can fly.
I would also fly it myself (MD-80 is one of my favorite airliners), but the fact that over 150people died haunted me and a.net...
Airtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1519 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4544 times:
I wanted to fly them a couple of years ago to TFS but IB was way cheaper so I switched to IB, but yes, I would fly them tomorrow if I had the opportunity...
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11122 posts, RR: 63 Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4539 times:
I've flown on JKK's MadDogs before and I would so so again in an instance.
If the pilot in command considers the aircraft safe to fly, then I respect that highly educated decision - after all, he has a family, friends, a life* - he's not going to fly if the aircraft is about to crash, and that goes for ANY airline and ANY aircraft, no matter what the country.
Dan
*I am aware of a few suicidal instances, but they are so rare that they make plane crashes seem ten a penny.
Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5285 posts, RR: 35 Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4431 times:
Quoting BCAL (Reply 5): The media went overboard to question the safety of the DC-10 and as a result when the type certificate was restored, the public was initially reluctant to fly in a DC-10. To
Yes. If I remember correctly, after the AA crash (which, IIRC, was blamed on the airline's maintenance procedures) there was another DC-10 which crashed into a truck on a closed runway in Mexico City. Then, of course, shortly afterwards there was the Air New Zealand DC-10 in the Antarctic, which IIRC was again due to pilot error.
The world's media whipped up a storm over the plane, scaring people senseless and forcing McDonnell Douglas to drop the DC designation, which was a shame.
And, to answer the question, yes, like everyone else on this thread, I would fly in a Spanair MD-82 tomorrow. It wouldn't be an enjoyable flight though, as I'd be thinking of Madrid and imagining the nightmare of those last few minutes.
Babybus From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3512 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4369 times:
I'm going to hold off my vote in this until after the full investigation.
I guess everyone in Spanair maintenance will be double checking everything they do for the next few months. Probably the safest airline to fly right now.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
Novak500 From Canada, joined Dec 2007, 53 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4344 times:
Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 1): Yes, I would. As I would on an AF A320 or an OS/NG 767, or a DL CRJ. JK are not less safe than any other carrier in the EU.
747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 403 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4336 times:
I would any time, if anything you would think that such an incident would make the airline even more vigilant about any safety issues with their aircraft, also especially since I haven't been on an maddog before either I wouldn't hesitate.
But...
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 21): And, to answer the question, yes, like everyone else on this thread, I would fly in a Spanair MD-82 tomorrow. It wouldn't be an enjoyable flight though, as I'd be thinking of Madrid and imagining the nightmare of those last few minutes.
Like you said, you couldn't help but think about what happened to those poor passengers in Madrid.
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