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First Trip From Europe To USA - What Airline?  
User currently offlineLNv22 From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

Hi,

I'm living in Oslo, Norway and planning a trip to New York, 01.01.2009.
Return flight will be some day around 22.01.2009, but I'm not sure if it will be from New York or Los Angeles.

It's my first transcontinental flight, and I'm looking for some help selecting the carrier / airline after these references:

1. I've never traveled on a 747, 777 or A340 before, so those are aircrafts I prefer for the trip.
2. I'm going in economy class.
3. Good IFE.
4. Comfort.
5. Service and food.
6. Price is a priority.
7. As the aircrafts I prefer for the trip doesn't operate from Oslo, I'm thinking of going from a bigger European airport, e.g. London (all), Amsterdam, Frankfurt etc..

This is what I have so far:

1. Many prefer Continental from Oslo to New York as they go non stop, but that's with a 757 and does not apply with my preferred aircrafts

2. British Airways, 01.01.09 - 22.01.09 return trip London - New York.
With this it looks like I can get a 777 one way and a 747 for the return, and it's a very good price, just under £300.

3. Virgin Atlantic, 01.01.09 - 22.01.09 return trip London - New York.
Looks like this is with an A340-600 both ways.
Same price as BA, just under £300.

After my preferences what do you people recommend ?

Other interesting carriers that would make the trip more exiting?

Thank you all for your help! I'm very grateful

[Edited 2008-09-03 02:11:46]


We have clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?
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User currently offlineB777Neuss From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8640 times:

I don't know the difference in price, but with LH via FRA you could fly A333, A346 or B747. The Airbus are equipped with IFE also in economy, the B747 isn't. But connection in FRA may be a bit exhausting.

B777Neuss


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8624 times:



Quoting LNv22 (Thread starter):
2. British Airways, 01.01.09 - 22.01.09 return trip London - New York.
With this it looks like I can get a 777 one way and a 747 for the return, and it's a very good price, just under £300.

3. Virgin Atlantic, 01.01.09 - 22.01.09 return trip London - New York.
Looks like this is with an A340-600 both ways.
Same price as BA, just under £300.

These fares are ex London only ? So you will have to pay extra to get from OSL (or TRF/RYG) to LON ?! Taxes & surcharges are included, as the make up quite some portion of the overall fare.
Might be cheaper to look into fares ex OSL with a connection somewhere rather than 2 flights. This will also save you the hassle of a new check-in.

Quoting LNv22 (Thread starter):
trip to New York, 01.01.2009.
Return flight will be some day around 22.01.2009, but I'm not sure if it will be from New York or Los Angeles.

Returning out of LAX will increase the overall costs quite a bit and restricts the airlines to choose from. With an open-jaw NYC/LAX you have:
- BA via LHR
- VS from LHR, but with feed from whom ? SK ?
- KL via AMS. Likely a B777 outbound, but a B747M return with not so great personal IFE.
- AF via CDG
- LH via FRA / MUC , possibly in combination with LX via ZRH.

Look into fares and check a/c usage on amadeus.net.
Regarding the IFE etc., I assume you are acquainted with seatguru.com ?

I haven't used any of the above in Y longhaul recently so I cannot make a recommendation.
-HT



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8624 times:



Quoting LNv22 (Thread starter):

2. British Airways, 01.01.09 - 22.01.09 return trip London - New York.
With this it looks like I can get a 777 one way and a 747 for the return, and it's a very good price, just under £300.

I would recommend doing this as you can then get a very easy connection through Terminal 5 direct from OSL. T5 is a great terminal, makes the rest of LHR look like a different country, and I think you'd enjoy the BA service. Food is pretty good in WT and the IFE would be AVOD on the 744 and possibly AVOD or not on the 777. My first trip Europe to USA was on BA, 744 outbound 777 back and they were some of my most memorable longhaul flights to date.  Smile



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User currently offlineSbworcs From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 848 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8620 times:

Having flown both BA and VS in economy across the pond I would find it difficult to choose between the two as both were good but in different ways.


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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

some other options:

Stockholm-Newark on a Malaysian 744

Los Angeles-Paris on an Air Tahiti Nui 340


User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

I would take Virgin but it's a close call between the two - the fun atmosphere and the nice flight attendants do it for me over BA.

But like someone else said, can you get a good deal from Oslo to connect as it will save having to leave a 3 or 4 hour connection in roder so you don't miss your connection having to claim baggage and re-check it.

I had a quick look and found Northwest flights from LHR to NYC for $348 (heaps cheaper than the rest) on travelocity.com - however this doesn't use the aircraft you want to but allows you to arrive into La Guardia which is lots closer to downtown NY.

I tried looking at Air India as I know they fly the 777 on that route - used to be 744 - nothing came up - maybe they haven't released seats yet but it seems odd - but usually a good and cheap option on this route!


User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8560 times:



Quoting LNv22 (Thread starter):


From Expedia.ca:

Oslo (OSL)
Depart 5:10 pm to London (LHR) Arrive 6:30 pm
Terminal 3 1,186 km (737 mi)
Duration: 2hr 20min
SK Flight: 811
Operated by: SAS NORWAY
Economy/Coach Class, Meal, Boeing 737-800

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

London (LHR) Depart 8:00 pm Terminal 3 to New York (JFK) Arrive 11:05 pm
Terminal 8 5,565 km (3,458 mi)
Duration: 8hr 5min
AA Flight: 141
Economy/Coach Class, Boeing 777



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8521 times:



Quoting LNv22 (Thread starter):
It's my first transcontinental flight

It's your first intercontinental....

BTW, for that price I'd choose BA over VS just for the chance of connecting out of the new LHR T5. With NYC and LAX there is a big chance you do a 744 on both legs (at least on LAX is guaranteed).



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User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8433 times:

I have another 2 options for you:

1) Brussels - EWR+JFK on Jet Airways using B 777-300ER

2) Frankfurt - JFK on Singapore Airlines using B 747-400

At least regarding SQ i know they frequently offer great deals. just check on their website where you can even choose the fare depending on whether you collect miles or not !

Next to this SQ is the first transat flight out of FRA every day which means you´ll arrive at JFK quite ahead of most european flights - that´ll save you quite some time through immigration ...
Just how to get to FRA from OSL in time to catch the SQ flight is another question.
If the overall travel time is no big issue you may either fly on a LCC to Cologne (CGN) and get a high speed train to FRA (total travel time CGN-FRA is about 1h) or fly on Ryanair to HHN and shuttle by bus to FRA (i would avoid it since you´ll need at least 5hrs between arrival at HHN and departure from FRA to be on the safe side)

But still you may check SK or LH on OSL-FRA vv. since at least SK offers reasonable fares if booked EARLY...(and you may check-through your luggage as all involved airlines are star)



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User currently offlineLandingshortly From Austria, joined Jan 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8433 times:

do consider

SQ 26 FRA-JFK! Brilliant flight!



Singapore Airlines - you're a great way to fly.
User currently offlineCastropRauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8431 times:



Quoting MHG (Reply 9):
Frankfurt - JFK on Singapore Airlines using B 747-400

I think that would be a great choice and the price would be good on that SQ route - but I don't think SQ have fares originating in OSL for flights to JFK, so they won't get you to FRA to begin with. and as their departure is very early, that would mean a night in FRA on top of the seperate flight OSL-FRA...

I would suggest BA - as the prices and services are good, though personally I would really like to try the 9W product out of BRU. they will also connect you there with SN out of OSL.


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

I just checked out FRA-JFK-FRA with SQ

dep.1.1.2009 rt 22.1.2009:
The lowest fare being 419,87 EUR rt incl. tax ! (~339,-GBP) which leaves the OSL-FRA distance still to be covered. You´ll hardly get an OSL-FRA rt for 75,-EUR but slightly more than that may be possible...
If you depart on dec 30 from OSL and return on the 22nd on SK your total price will be 114,-EUR (long layover upon return) or 141,-EUR (for short layover at FRA on return)
Dep on dec 31 is prohibitive expensive.
LH would be 118,-EUR rt all tax incl. dep 31.12. and rt on 22.01.09 (schedule wise better choice!)

LH through fare OSL-FRA-JFK-DUS-OSL would be 540,-EUR all incl.(OSL-FRA A 320 / FRA-JFK B744 / JFK-DUS A 343 / DUS-OSL CRJ 200)

Be aware !!!
The mentioned price of 540,-EUR is a throughfare OSL-JFK and back where all other options mentioned in the forum require you to buy additional tickets to get to the "hub".
Next to this there´s no hassle with luggage as it´s checked through and if things go wrong (e.g. delayed flight) you´ll be taken care of professionally (LH doesn´t have a certain reputation accidently)
Still the SQ/LH combi is possible at exactly the same price albeit with 2 separate tickets but less favourable itinerary on the outbound due to early dep of SQ from FRA

[Edited 2008-09-07 07:03:39]


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User currently offlineLnv22 From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8417 times:

Wow guys! Thanks for all the great reply's!

It will be a return trip LHR/FRA - NYC (JFK/EWR) and I'll have to decide tomorrow (my girlfriend won't wait any longer.. )

The SQ alternative via FRA is very interesting, same for the 9W option.

I think I'll go for BA or SQ.

Thanks again for the great tips!



We have clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?
User currently offlineLNv22 From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

Ok - Deal closed!

I booked with BA, and this is what I ended up with:

Flight number: BA0763
From: Oslo
To: Heathrow (London) Terminal 5
Depart: 29 Dec 2008 11:30
Arrive: 29 Dec 2008 13:05
Class: Euro Traveller

Flight number: BA0179
From: Heathrow (London) Terminal 5
To: John F Kennedy (New York)
Depart: 29 Dec 2008 18:00
Arrive: 29 Dec 2008 20:45
Class: World Traveller



Flight number: BA0176
From: John F Kennedy (New York) Terminal 7
To: Heathrow (London)
Depart: 26 Jan 2009 19:45
Arrive: 27 Jan 2009 07:50
Class: World Traveller

Flight number: BA0766
From: Heathrow (London) Terminal 5
To: Oslo
Depart: 27 Jan 2009 13:00
Arrive: 27 Jan 2009 16:15
Class: Euro Traveller


When I booked, BA0179 was listed as a 777, and BA0176 as a 747. I hope I can count on that it stays like this?! (and, does anyone know whether this is the RR or GE powered aircraft?)

I also hope the 777 is fitted with the new/updated AVOD IFE BA is installing to they'r 777 fleet. If anyone have any updated information on this, please tell!

Now it's time to book flights from NYC - SFO/OAK, and MIA - NYC  Smile  Smile

Thanks again for all the useful feedback!



We have clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?
User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8299 times:



Quoting LNv22 (Reply 14):
I booked with BA

Well done!  Smile I'm sure you'll enjoy it, be sure to post a TR.

Quoting LNv22 (Reply 14):
I hope I can count on that it stays like this?

Should do.

Quoting LNv22 (Reply 14):
does anyone know whether this is the RR or GE powered aircraft?

For East Coast US, more likely to be GE, but not set in stone, I've had an RR-powered BA 777 out of IAD in the past.

Quoting LNv22 (Reply 14):

I also hope the 777 is fitted with the new/updated AVOD IFE BA is installing to they'r 777 fleet. If anyone have any updated information on this, please tell!

To be honest, the chances will probably be a little under 50% when you fly... however when they did the 744s, as soon as they had enough to run on all the JFK routes they made sure that happened and marketed it as guaranteed to JFK. So they might be keen to do the same with the 777, especially as theoretically they'd only need one aircraft to guarantee it since the 777 does JFK no more than once daily.

Keep an eye on this thread as your trip approaches, which is excellent for seeing the progress of the New Club World/AVOD refit: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633240



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8236 times:
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Another alternative is AF 744 service, but sometimes they use one of the 3 744 with PTV on all Economy seats, sometimes not.

Quoting Landingshortly (Reply 10):
do consider

SQ 26 FRA-JFK! Brilliant flight!

Agree 100%, better product with a fantastic airline.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8140 times:
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I would have choosen NZ from LHR-LAX and enjoyed NZs award winning service and award winning IFE with a B777. you also could have choosen premium economy for slightly more. Only problem is though, you would need to be on a UA LAX-JFK service, but those services are also all premium services, even in Y

User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8126 times:



Quoting LNv22 (Reply 14):
Now it's time to book flights from NYC - SFO/OAK, and MIA - NYC

You undoubtedly must try Virgin America! They are absolutely brilliant!

Regards
Nitin



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8055 times:



Quoting Deaphen (Reply 18):
Quoting LNv22 (Reply 14):
Now it's time to book flights from NYC - SFO/OAK, and MIA - NYC

You undoubtedly must try Virgin America! They are absolutely brilliant!

Absolutely, and try the option of FLL-JFK with JetBlue, so that we can expect a comparative Trip Report of the two !  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

Go with LH, you won't regret it.

And I agree with the previous posters that FRA is very busy at times and can give you a headache going from terminal to terminal, but as long as you can read and follow directions, it's very easy IMO. All signs have directions in German and English.  Smile



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7937 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 20):
Go with LH, you won't regret it.

No PTV's on B747!


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

I love AMS to connect in, and if you want a nice adventure you could go wherever-AMS-DTW-LGA so that you fly into a cooler airport and same going back. That would be on NW/KL


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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7932 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 21):
No PTV's on B747!

Then take the A330 or A340. Or next year, the A380.  Smile



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User currently offlineLNv22 From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

Some updates:

We have decided to skip Miami, but I still need tickets from San Francisco to JFK.

I'm looking at JetBlue OAK - JFK, or Virgin America SFO - JFK.
AA SFO - JFK is also an option.
(For two persons: Jet Blue $ 399, Virgin America $ 440. Is it worth it?)


Quoting Deaphen (Reply 18):
You undoubtedly must try Virgin America! They are absolutely brilliant!


Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 19):
Absolutely
I have many friends that are highly satisfied with Virgin America, and of course you guys, so I'm almost sure I will book with them today or tomorrow.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 20):
Go with LH, you won't regret it.


Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 22):
I love AMS to connect in, and if you want a nice adventure you could go wherever-AMS-DTW-LGA so that you fly into a cooler airport and same going back. That would be on NW/KL
Thanks for your advice and help, I really appreciate the feedback ?
I have already booked OSL - LHR - JFK (772) and JFK - LHR - OSL (744) with BA, but it's very likely to be LH next time!

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 23):
Or next year, the A380.
Oh yeah, I sure will!!

[Edited 2008-09-23 02:09:25]


We have clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?
25 Post contains images LNv22 : Hi again, I've decided to go for Virgin America SFO - JFK   It's my first time to fly out of JFK, and I'm thinking about how much connection time I n
26 Bbinn333 : I Know This Is Not Your Preferres Aircrafr but An Icelandair 757 Oslo-KEF-JFK For 619.00 Euros On an Awqesome Airline ! Great Crew Really, Nice Aircr
27 LNv22 : Thanks! I've heard from family that Icelandair has a good product over the Atlantic. Have to go with them some day As for the SFO - JFK trip, anyone
28 Burnsie28 : Do NOT take the one that arrives at 5:55 thats not enough time to connect. Yes JFK is heavily delayed often times, also you will have to change termi
29 LNv22 : Thanks for the tip. I've placed my order on the 3:40 arrival.. Would be to sad not reaching the BA flight back home Also thanks for the general advic
30 DocLightning : ALWAYS pick the European carrier in a flight between the U.S. and Europe. The level of service, both on-board and groundside, is miles above the U.S.
31 LNv22 : Yes, thats why I booked with BA As for my SFO - JFK leg, I payed $ 219 for this some weeks ago on VX website.. Today the price is $ 134.. It's not ma
32 DocLightning : When are you visiting SFO?
33 KU747 : No brainer, don't think twice. worth every penny.
34 LNv22 : Hi DocLightning, I'm arriving at SFO January 22th, the final city on my one month USA cross county visit. The long way home (SFO-JFK-LHR-OSL) takes p
35 DocLightning : Well at least it's broken up and most of the terminals at JFK are nice enough nowadays. So it's a long trip but nicely broken up. That 10 hour SFO-LH
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