USAFO1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8314 times:
So I wanted to see how many people in the forums would know about the loads to Honolulu this fall in first class. I'm currently flying RIC-IAD-ORD-HNL on 30 Oct 08 and HNL-LAX-ORD-RIC on 5 Nov 08 and I've used a CR1 (Confirmed Regional Upgrade) to bump myself up to First. This is my first vacation in years and it's a pretty sweet deal. I got the ticket for $500 and I'm staying at the Hale Koa, the military resort in Honolulu. So I want to be comfortable all the way there and back so I have a nice trip. However, when I upgraded all my flights were confirmed in First except the ORD-HNL and my return flight HNL-LAX. When I called United, they said all seats available for upgrade have been taken. But looking at the seats in First on the website, there are still seats available in First.
United informed me that those seats are revenue seats and aren't upgrade eligible until 72 hours prior to departure. Because I am a Premier member I have been put on a Priority Waitlist for the upgrade. However, what I was wonderin from the Airlines.net community, as well as those who work for United here on the forums, was what my chances were of actually making those First class seats to and from Honolulu. The ORD-HNL currently has 5 open seats and the HNL-LAX is pretty much wide open.
Any information will help. I know there are several passengers that don't show up or take an earlier flight on departure days, but the ORD-HNL flight is the only direct flight that day, so I'm wondering how many will actually not show up. So, all you United experts and employees out there, if you could help me out I'd REALLY appreciate it!
Jkj777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8276 times:
Good luck with this. It is my experience that you will have a lot of trouble getting an upgrade for those sectors. With only 5 seats remaining, it is doubtful that they will be around or even eligible for an upgrade at that point. I have always had difficulty with it but maybe you will be more fortunate. Best wishes!
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 10414 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8154 times:
Quoting USAFO1 (Thread starter): Because I am a Premier member I have been put on a Priority Waitlist for the upgrade
Yes but you are behind Global Service, 1K and Premier Executive. If the flight is mostly full, you don't have much hope of an upgrade. Premiers get upgrades on routes that do not have many business travelers normally, but HNL on the 777s tends to be a high yield vacation destination. There likely will be lots of higher status people wanting upgrades that get higher priority. Also with only 36 first class seats and almost 350 economy seats, the chances of an upgrade are slim.
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WhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8132 times:
I'm 1K and had problems getting bumped up to 1st to HNL. LAX is easier than ORD or SFO, that I will say. But, the fare basis can also result in you staying in Coach while another Premier who paid a higher fare gets bumped up.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 27302 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7797 times:
I can assure you if UA1 only has 5 open seats today, it will be sold out come October 30th.
Additionally while LAX and SFO flights are probably easier to upgrade due the number of available flights, if you are only a Premier flyer you are last in line for an upgrade with UGS, 1K and Premier Executives ahead of you.
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Soxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 878 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7732 times:
SeatGuru reports that "most flyers think it isn't worth the extra miles to fly first class to Hawaii." However, this comment has been up probably for several years, and those "most flyers" may actually be a small sample. Has anyone had an experience with it? The First Class domestic cabin must be a very different setup from international...is it more comfortable than 757-767 F domestic?
Also, do the flights feature anything special that's Hawaiian-themed because of the destination? Or, is it wishful thinking...
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Usafo1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7643 times:
I just called United and they said there are 10 open seats... Don't know why the website is only showing 5... Even still from everyone's replies it looks like I will be flying E+.. Which is disappointing and a waste of a CR1
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6582 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7617 times:
Quoting Usafo1 (Reply 10): Which is disappointing and a waste of a CR1
Well anything is possible but it is not looking likely, you may want to call up UA and see if they can re-route you on a flight that has upgrade eligible seats hat way your CR1 clears instantly and you don't have to wait for an upgrade....
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Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3757 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7582 times:
Quoting Usafo1 (Reply 10): I just called United and they said there are 10 open seats... Don't know why the website is only showing 5... Even still from everyone's replies it looks like I will be flying E+.. Which is disappointing and a waste of a CR1
The CR1 won't move you into open seats regardless of what is and isn't available, I learned that the first time I used one (I thought that was what differentiated a CR-1 to an e500). However, when we got to the airport (RIC also, I'm in the area) my wife and I had been moved up to F. Don't resign yourself to E+, then again our flight was a domestic 757 and only 3/24 seats were assigned when we left for the airport.
Quoting United1 (Reply 9): Mai-tais and "Hawaiian" themed Trader-Vic meals, I dont know if they still play half way to Hawaii or not.
USAFO1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7504 times:
Well I called United back to see if I could re-route and they said it was actually better for me to stick with the the ORD-HNL flight because the loads were better. I'm not sure if that's true or just Indian outsourcing. I'm going to stick with it though because I'm going for fun with some fellow AF pilots. If I get the upgrade, GREAT! If not I'll just remember where I'm going and enjoy myself. Thanks for the help guys! If you have any other advice, please don't hesitate to pitch in!
HNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7353 times:
Flew the flight one month ago in economy plus. Couldn't get an upgrade, but the extra room in that section of coach on the 777 isn't bad. The major problem is no meals for eight hours, so...load up on snacks and have fun. Aloha.
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Je89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2363 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7196 times:
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Quoting United1 (Reply 9): I dont know if they still play half way to Hawaii or not.
As of May, they still did offer the Half Way game and I actually got 29 seconds off the halfway mark . . . and came in second! I thought it was game once I heard the correct half way time, but I guess not.
USAFO1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5488 times:
Well I'm already confirmed in E+, so that's good. I'm hoping things will turn around for me on my HNL-LAX flight as the number of seats in F are still wide open. It still seems like a waste of a CR1 though because my IAD-ORD flight is upgraded and confirmed but if the HNL flight doesn't, then I just used a CR1 for a 2.5hr flight... But, like I said, I'm going to try to enjoy myself instead of worrying about an upgrade. I tried to see if I could change my route and they wanted to charge me the $150 change fee plus the diff. in fare, so I decided to just stick with what I got.
Any United employees who could keep me up to date, that would be GREAT. I just get tired of talking to employees who only know what the book tells them to say and who speak broken English..
UALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 799 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5042 times:
Part of it is just dumb luck too, as well as the given number of elite FF on any given flight.
I flew LAX-HNL-LAX back in late May/early June. On the LAX-HNL segment, F had checked in full before I even got to the gate. Yet on the red-eye 767 HNL-LAX, they thought Y would be oversold but F had tons of seats available, so they upgraded a bunch of pax to F, incuding me. There must not have been a lot of elite FFs, because I am "only" a Premier, as was the gentleman sitting next to me, who also got upgraded. And I was on a pretty cheap super-advance purchase fare for work, so that had nothing to do with it.
I haven't done F on the 2-class 777. but have often on the 2-class 767. It's not that great on the 67, although you do have more room to recline (which is nice if you're trying to sleep on a red-eye) and you'll get a hot meal as opposed to BOB in Y.
I will concur with others that the ORD-HNL leg will be the harder of the two. My guess is that they probably route a lot of FF tix, especially from the east cost, on that segment and leave the West Coast-HNL flights (more so LAX than SFO) for local O&D pax.
Good luck and enjoy! Hawai'i is my favorite vacation spot of all!
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