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Business Class Seats On KLM And Air France  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14031 times:

Do KLM and Air France business class cabins have the same seats (longhaul)? I heard, Air France has several version of Business Class seat. What are the differences? Which one does KLM have, or a completely different one?

Which aircraft types have which seat version in the KLM fleet, in the Air France fleet? Do they KLM still re-configure old planes like the M11 and 744, or only the newer A333 and B777?

Thanks

[Edited 2008-12-08 11:50:50]

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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14001 times:



Quoting Mozart (Thread starter):
I heard, Air France has several version of Business Class seat.

Not really different "versions". The original business class seat (the one you find in the B744) was progressively improved to make a "second" then "third" generation, the one you find in most of the B772ER and B77W.
This last generation of seats is the one chosen by KLM.


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13985 times:

Thanks for the info!

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
This last generation of seats is the one chosen by KLM.

Which plane type does KLM install these third generation seat on? retro-fit all planes? Or only new deliveries?

Thanks


User currently offlineAFKL From Netherlands, joined Feb 2008, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13931 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 2):
Which plane type does KLM install these third generation seat on? retro-fit all planes? Or only new deliveries?

As far as I know, only the new deliveries will recieve the third generation J class seats with the fixed shell (777 and A330). All other types have been (re)configured with the older generation J class seats, which are still very new and comfortable mind you.


ALLARD.



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User currently offlineHenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13578 times:

New, yes. Comfortable no.

KLM's seats are not only angled, but also coated with Teflon making them a pain to sleep on. Also, but I'm not sure, I believe KL puts the new seats closer together than AF.

Still I would choose KLM because they have the best crew in the world!



Wherever you go, there you are!
User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13495 times:



Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 4):
New, yes. Comfortable no.

I don't find these 10 degree angle seats comfortable for sleep. I find them great for relax mode, however.

As to AF (in my experience) -- seat is nice if you won't be sleeping, crew ok to very good, food ok, amenity kit is a joke (I thought it was the Y kit at first), wine is excellent, style of presntation is quite nice, service is frequent, IFE depends.

I don't know about KM well enough to comment. All my long haul on AF-KM was always AF via CDG (which is another saga).

Dave



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User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1736 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13435 times:

I have written a few trip reports on both Air France and KLM's business class product.

Air France 777-200 (Same seats across the fleet):
Air France: The Best Place On Earth?

KLM A330 (New seats, not newest) and KLM MD-11 (Older generation seats)
Back To My Roots: KLM World Business Class

Hope this is of some help to you.

SR 103


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