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Airlines That Will Probably Never Order Again  
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 19
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11876 times:

Hey Guys:

I have thought about this for some time, and I figured there are probably some airlines that will either never order another Airbus a/c or another Boeing a/c again. I figured I would make a small list of airlines that this probably applies to, I would like to know your own opinons as well as other airlines to be added.


Example:

Airbus

American Airlines

Continental Airlines

Boeing:

TAP Portugal

Easy Jet



I am sure there is more to add to this list..


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
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User currently offlineWN700Driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11833 times:

I don't expect to see AA320's or US Airways 73Gs anytime soon, but I think it is foolish to say "never."

User currently offlineMSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11738 times:

I highly doubt Southwest will order an Airbus.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11717 times:

I would never say never. CO could very well order the NG A320 if they fit their operation better than the 737RS. I don't see Airbus widebodies in CO's future, but as for AA, there very well might be. 1/2 of AA's fleet is non-Boeing product (since you can't count MD80s as Boeings when AA ordered them from MD years before).


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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11680 times:

I'm pretty sure Northwest won't be buying any planes anymore Big grin


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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11634 times:

Supposedly devout followers of one company have changed plans before. I think it's foolhardy to predict that any given airline will forever resist the tempation of choice.

Lufthansa was powerfully Boeing, a launch customer, then ardently Airbus, yet they've now gone and ordered 748s, too.

CO did have an order for A340s at one time before executive winds changed. Who's to say they won't change again?

Even in the midst of their one-model doctrine, WN has operated 2 different types before, 727 and 737. Rumor are that they still look at the 100-seat market, which would be a major change for them, but seems they've made a number of major shifts in doctrine.

And then the USAir Force ordering "Northrup"/EADS tankers! I know, still not resolved, but someone got as far as placing an order.

-Rampart


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29689 posts, RR: 84
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11398 times:
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I think "never" is too strong a word and too long of a timeframe.

A number of Airbus customers used to be very strong Boeing customers because, at the time, Boeing was better then the competition (McD, Lockheed, the Europeans prior to forming Airbus).

Airlines cannot afford to be sentimental when a real, viable and superior alternative is present. They will choose what makes the better economic case for them, all things being equal.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11336 times:

With the exception of very specialized budget Airlines like Southwest whose whole business model relies on a single type I think that it is stupid for a large airline, especial international carriers with multipe types to rely on one manufacturer.
Therefore I would "never say never" in cases like you quote. What if in future one of the manufacturers indeed offers a far more superior product than the other in a certain class? Its not the case today, but with the large scale changes to be happening in the future that could happen.


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11204 times:

Two words: UA A320s.


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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3241 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11133 times:
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Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 8):
Two words: UA A320s.

Aren't they doing very well with UA?I am really surprised to know that.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11110 times:

I know for sure that no airline will buy any more new McDonnell Douglas aircraft again.
I know for sure that LOT Polish Airlines will not order any more Ilyushin or Tupolev aircraft again. Same for Vietnam Airlines.



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11075 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter):
Airlines That Will Probably Never Order--- Again

Never say never again  Wink

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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11066 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 9):
Aren't they doing very well with UA?I am really surprised to know that.

I think the point being made was that UA were very loyal Boeing customers. IIRC United has its roots as part of Boeing too. If UA could order Airbus anyone could, very soon there will be no more 737 at UA.

Brian.



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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11035 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 9):

Aren't they doing very well with UA?I am really surprised to know that.

My post referred to the shock of UA, once owned by Boeing, ordering them in the first place.

The UA A320 order was the shot heard round the world for Boeing. It shows that no planemaker can ever afford to take a carrier's business for granted.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10979 times:

I don't believe that WS will ever order Airbus nor will WN. Aloha will not ever order any mainline aircraft. Highly doubtful AA will order Airbus same goes for CO and DL. All this is guessing and I am a horrible guesser.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11121 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10948 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
but as for AA, there very well might be. 1/2 of AA's fleet is non-Boeing product (since you can't count MD80s as Boeings when AA ordered them from MD years before).

True, although I think AA's actions today are fare more reflective of potential future actions than decisions made 20 years ago. True, half of AA's fleet are McDonnell Douglas MD80s, but today, in 2008, AA is actively replacing those MD80s with ... Boeing 737s.

I suppose anything is possible, but I certainly would say that the chances of AA ordering an Airbus product in the future - especially widebodies - is small. AA has already placed one of the largest orders to date for the 787, and I doubt they're done with that frame yet. AA has committed to the 787 in a big way, and I suspect that is going to be their widebody frame of the future - ultimately replacing their 767s and eventually also probably the 777s.

As for narrowbodies, AA is making a huge (70-frame) investment in NG 737s because they desperately want to get out from under the weight of the MD80's fuel inefficiency. That is a short- to mid-term solution, however, and within the next 10-20 years, AA will likely move to the next-generation narrowbody platform that is being discussed by Boeing and Airbus. This may represent an opportunity/opening for Airbus, but even there, assuming Boeing can stay competitive on price, capability, efficiency and delivery schedule with Airbus in their next-generation narrowbody ("narrowbody 787") offering, I don't realistically see AA going Airbus.


User currently offlineAirportGuy1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10567 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
I know for sure that no airline will buy any more new McDonnell Douglas aircraft again.

Don't tell Allegiant that. Every A/C they buy is new to them...  Wink


User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10019 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Airlines cannot afford to be sentimental when a real, viable and superior alternative is present. They will choose what makes the better economic case for them, all things being equal.

Absolutely. The only point I can make is HA as they are the only ones I have seen for sure to comment on. HA used to be a MD/DC aircraft user for years. They went boeing 717 which is essentially an MD aircraft with a pretty badging on it. The 763's made sense because they were the right aircraft for the job at the right time. And now they have a huge A332/A350 order. Not too many people saw that one coming.



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9689 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 7):
With the exception of very specialized budget Airlines like Southwest whose whole business model relies on a single type I think that it is stupid for a large airline

Southwest is the largest domestic carrier in the US. I don't know what qualifies as big for you, but WN is pretty damn big...

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Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 12):
I think the point being made was that UA were very loyal Boeing customers. IIRC United has its roots as part of Boeing too. If UA could order Airbus anyone could, very soon there will be no more 737 at UA.

UA was the launch customer for both the 767 and 777. However, I believe now UA has one of the largest A320 fleets in the World. I think they're third IIRC. Truthfully, I really like UA's fleet makeup of A320's and Boeing W/B's. I never really liked their 733/735's.



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9595 times:

FL I feel will continuce to always be a Boeing carrier.


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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

AA, CO, and DL all signed long-term agreements with Boeing back in the late 90s, giving them very good pricing terms, with the ability to get production slots on somewhat short notice.

Remember that Boeing was supposedly booked on 737 production for the next several years, yet AA is getting 70+ 737-800s over the next 2 years.

Until the agreements come close to expiration, don't expect any of these 3 carriers to look at Airbus for widebody or larger narrowbody aircraft.

Now, I could see AA ordering larger Embrear or Canadair jets to fill in the gap left by the retirement of the F100 fleet, but that's due to the fact that neither Boeing nor Airbus currently offer a plane in the 90-110 seat range that makes sense on short-haul routes.


User currently offlineSparky35805 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9319 times:
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United wanted an aircraft that would operate from Denver nonstop to any US destination.The 737-400 would not do this and Boeing would not upgrade the 737.The were selling all the 300s and 400s that they could build.The A320 was availible and could do the job so United bought them.Boeing after loosing this order,decided to build the 737NG.Had they built this airplane for delivery in the 1994-95 time period,United would not have bought the Airbus product.
Sparky


User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9122 times:



Quoting Rampart (Reply 5):
Supposedly devout followers of one company have changed plans before. I think it's foolhardy to predict that any given airline will forever resist the tempation of choice.

We could speculate forever ...but its pointless. Airlines dont always stay the same. Neither do their fleets.


User currently offlineBoeing6600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8868 times:

AS "proudly all Boeing"

User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

Airlines that will probably never order again = TWA, Tower Air, oh and People Express...sorry I couldn't resist.

25 LASOctoberB6 : Not to discredit you or anything, but do you have a source for that? I would like to read up on that..
26 IAD51FL : SAS will never order the Q400 due to the maintenance issues they had and all the negative publicity with the self retracting nose gear. Chris
27 Post contains links Kappel : Indeed, I think the point made regarding the UA A320 order is the most pointed example of this fact. I believe that even an airline like WN cannot af
28 Flyingchoirboy : I don't have any specific source, but this is one of those 'common knowledge among anetters' things. However, IMHO, United got an amazing aircraft in
29 Doona : Yup, though the new Q400s are destined for members of the SAS Group, not SAS itself. Cheers Mats
30 Bassbonebobo : Yes "Proudly All Boeing" is just a marketing tool. But, when you are an airline based in Seattle, have the most movements of any airline at Seatac (w
31 777law : Perhaps a statement of the obvious, but I think it will be a very long time before any US airline orders Illuyshin, Antonov or Tupolov aircraft.
32 WN700Driver : I'm sure US would. I mean, if we can do all sorts of brilliant things like charging for Sodas, than I'm sure the sky's the limit for 'Airways. Just o
33 Kappel : Did any US airline ever order from these manufacturers directly? I don't think AS will buy Boeing just because they are assembelled in Seattle. It di
34 Directorguy : Airlines tend to balance their fleet with different a/c types. Look at EK-they placed a HUGE Airbus order (58 A380s, something like a 100 A350s) but t
35 Af773atmsp : SY probably won't order Airbus in the near future. But I've always hoped.
36 Apodino : I would go out on a limb and say that Mesa, Skywest, Republic, Air Wisconsin, Comair, and ASA will not be ordering any Boeing or Airbus products for a
37 A333TS : I can see DL ordering Airbus in the future depending how they will like the performances of Airbuses that they get from NW. If DL will feel that Airbu
38 United1 : I read that in some book some where so its a little more then just Anet lore.. I doubt if loosing the UA order was the only impetus for Boeing to bui
39 DUALRATED : Not many Airbus fans at AA, I can tell you that my Friends at AMR have said they prefer an aircraft where the vertical tail fin does not snap off whe
40 777STL : Well, if you want to get technical, EK has already ordered the 747-8.
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