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User currently offlineVegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 352 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8181 times:

Got a mail from Dr. Frank Maier from Swiss Miles and More telling me that unfortunately they were not able to renew my Senator (Gold) status as I was slightly short of the required mileage. But for the low low price of 2,000 euros I could extend the status for one year. 2,000 euros..you heard it right!

Now I actually like having the Senator status for some reason, but Swiss does not seem to value my business. Let's take a look at the facts:

Firstly, I take a lot of short but very expensive flights within Europe. These are money makers for Swiss. My company pays in excess of 1200 US dollars for a 1 ½ hour flight to the UK in the back of the plane! I had more than 40 segments last year (down year due to the economy and my company backing away form business class tickets). However segments don't count and the mileage accrued is miserable ..in some cases as low as 125 miles each way.

Secondly, when attempting to use FF miles the Senator help line is useless. Round trip business class ZRH to LAS 90,000 miles and 600 US dollars. Even better is after booking the flight they called me and told me the minimum connection time in FRA was not met. Therefore I could fly the night before and pay for my own hotel, or I could fly at my own risk meaning if I missed the connection I would get no rebooking or compensation. Where is the love? J

When comparing the frequent flyer status (silver) to the Senator status (gold) -- unless I am missing something I don't see 2,000 euros worth of difference. My primary airport in the UK does not even have a Senator lounge.

Frequent Traveller status

The frequent traveller card is given to all Miles & More customers that received a total of over 35,000 status miles in one calendar year. This status remains valid for two years and a member can re-qualify in any one of those two years. Usually, all status cards expire in February of the third year, e.g. status earned in December 2006, status valid until February 2009.
As a frequent traveller a passenger receives a number of privileges:
Access to Business Lounges of fully integrated M&M airlines with valid Star Alliance Boarding Pass for the same day and location before departure
Access to LH Frequent Traveller Lounge with valid Star Alliance Boarding Pass for the same day and location before departure
Business Class Check-In at fully integrated M&M airlines regardless of the flown class of service
25% Executive Bonus on award, status and HON Circle miles on all flights with Lufthansa, Swiss, United Airlines, US Airways, Austrian Airlines, LOT Polish Airlines, Air One, Air Dolomiti and Air Canada
Miles retain unlimited validity
Increased registered baggage allowance: 40 kg on fully integrated M&M airlines (when weight concept applies)
All Star Alliance Silver Benefits
Exclusive FTL reservation hotline

Senator status
When having collected 100.000 Status Miles (130.000 Miles for residents of Germany) within one calendar year, Miles & More members will receive "Senator" Status with a validity of at least 2 years. . The main benefits of Senator status are:
All advantages of Frequent Traveller status, in addition:
Access to all LH Senator Lounges, regardless of airline flown
Two eVouchers on achieving status and two more for every status retention, good to upgrade either two short-haul or one long-haul flight
Booking guarantee: Up to 48 hours before departure in booking class C, or up to 72 hours in booking class Y
Miles & More companion award: When booking an award ticket with Lufthansa or integrated carriers, the ticket for an accompanying second person only costs 50% of the mileage
Availability of an exclusive telephone service hotline
Availability of Mileage advance: The mileage account can be overdrawn by up to 50,000 Miles. This overdraft needs to be "repaid" until the status expires or each mile will be charged 0.024 EUR.
Senator Premium award: By using double the number of award miles Senators are able to book the very last available seat when it is no longer possible to redeem a regular Miles & More award.
All Star Alliance Gold Benefits

Finally, FF programs weere designed to create loyalty to a particular airline or alliance. With the prohibitive costs associated with purchasing a FF ticket and increasingly difficult requirements to obtain status I think some airlines are missing the point. I might add I recently read an interesting article in the Wall Street journal that said often times the most expensive ticket on a particular flight (read the most profitable for the airline) is the FF ticket. Any thoughts on the differences between the programs and if I should just move on to another airline/system?


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User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

Take your questions over to flyertalk.com. There are the experts when it comes to all FF related issues.

User currently offlineVegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Quoting Caspritz78 (Reply 1):
Take your questions over to flyertalk.com. There are the experts when it comes to all FF related issues.

done. Thx

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6526 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8097 times:

Quoting Vegas005 (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on the differences between the programs and if I should just move on to another airline/system?

If you consider to switch to a different FF-system, answer to yourself the following questions:

- Do other airlines / Alliances (SkyTeam, Oneworld) offer enough flights out of your homebase ? Likely, almost all of these flights (out of ZRH) are into the respective carrier's hub, meaning that you likely will have to connect onto another flight to make to your final destination.
- Does your employer have rules on which airline to select for business travel ?
- Calculate how many miles you might get for flights (fare classes !) on SkyTeam or onewold. Then see, if this will get you into the desired status.
- Have you ever tried to redeem miles accrued with a different FF-system ? I have no experience with oneworld (I have no miles with them, as they neglect to serve HAJ), but I do have experience with AF/KL's Flying Blue:

Pro: Oneways can be booked without any penalties (M&M charges 80% of the return miles for a oneway award ticket). Sameday returns possible w/o penalties.
Quite good booking engine.

Con: Availability of award seats laonghaul in Business Class usually is quite limited even 10 months in advance. To my experience, the situation is better on M&M, sometimes even on short notice (a while ago, I could get award flights in Business Class from the U.S. to my homebase and back within 7 days of departure during a time when my father was ill).
Re-evalute the situation and then come to a decision.
An outsider w/o exact knowledge of your (future) travel habit hardly will be able to make a definite recommendation.

Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
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