Cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17044 times:
It would be nice if they could list the definition of being "scary". JFK was on the list for "having to avoid traffic for KLGA and KEWR". I can't imagine pilots are responsible for their own separation from other traffic. What do they think procedures are designed for? And what do they think ATC is there for?
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4195 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16690 times:
If they include JFK because its traffic has to avoid LGA and EWR, then why are EWR and LGA not on the list too?
Surely LGA, with three of the four runway ends surrounded by water, would be a "scarier" candidate than JFK. JFK has 14,500ft and 11,000ft long runways, for gosh sakes! Not to mention that LGA is surrounded by the confines of a major metropolitan conurbation!
And what about EWR? Nothing too scary about its location, but they have had a series of near-misses and runway incursions over the past few years. Surely that bumps it up the scariness scale...
Personally, I don't think JFK (or LGA or EWR) should be in the Top 10. A little ridiculous when lumping one of the major US airports in with a tiny Scottish airport that most people have never heard of, never mind flown from.
I'm sure there are plenty of urban airports all around the globe that deserve a spot on the "scariest" list. I could also think of a few "Third World" (I hate that term) countries with airports that I would hate / be scared going to.
Don't know but...after taking off and landing there lots of times (lived in Guatemala for 6 years), I never saw that airport as a very difficult one. Of course it's not CDG (altitude, runway length, nearby buildings, high terrain in the area) or MAD or any other "easier" airport but I would say there are several more "challenging" airports in Latin America such as Quito, La Paz, Cuzco, Santos Dumont, Congonhas and several others (TGU has been mentioned already) .
MAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2934 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16447 times:
i would put LHR up there somewhere.. disgusting toilets, crumbling terminals, taxiway congestion, awful road access, virtually non-existant rail links, lost bags, the list goes on - but i guess many of us still 'have' to call it home.. lol...
UniTED From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16305 times:
Ok, maybe the approach isn't that scary, but I'm pretty sure FNJ is much scarier... just by the feeling of being in such an isolated unique place where your every move is being watched! Scary, but exciting!
Well, I must admit that, of that list, I have only really been to Funchal (FNC) but I must admit, it is a scary ride, exactly as described (depending on the direction of the wind, of course). And those mountain rollers make for some bumpy landings. At least now it is no longer the tiny airstrip it was before.
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Csturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15947 times:
Quoting Richierich (Reply 6): Not to mention that LGA is surrounded by the confines of a major metropolitan conurbation!
Like MDW. On approach all you see is house, house, street, house, house, street, house, runway. And it seems like the WN pilots come in there like a Navy pilot coming into a carrier and hoping they hit the cables. Dunno, maybe it is just me that feels that way.
RB211 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 632 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15578 times:
SFO definitely bugs me out. The actives are just too close together for comfort. There have been times when I could see the people on the other planes when we were on final approach almost completely parallel. As Keith Jackson would say, "Woah Nellie!"
Airline photography. Whether they're fully clothed, butt naked, having issues or confused I'm taking pictures!!
Having flown into this airport not to long ago, I can definitely say that this approach is the most difficult in the world. To fly an A319 through weaving narrow valleys through the Himalayas is not easy! These pilots definitely have some skill. If you're interested, feel free to view my Trip Report into Paro that includes landing and takeoff videos.
BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2824 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15435 times:
Pity Kai Tak is no longer around
Tere's a bunch of airports in mountainous valleys that can be challenging. Courchevel and Innsbruck were already mentioned, you can include Kathmandu in there and from what I have read here, Wellington (NZ) also has some "exciting" conditions now and then.
By the way, I think Portugal's scariest airport should not be Madeira (which is spectacular in its own right) but Corvo, with a 400m runway and ocean at both ends.
Regarding "ridiculous middle-of-town airports", we've lost Tempelhof recently...
REALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15401 times:
lax, lax, lax & lax
Photo, fingerprints !!
Bend over (RUBBER GLOVE)
Soeone should teach those immigration guys to smile. Send them to happy school. It looks like they have the rubber glove treatment done to them every morning before work !!!
Also whay aren't US immigration & customs open before 7am at LAX ? I mean they have all these so called security people doing very little, why, if aircraft lands early do I have to sit on aircraft until they open ?
(NOTE don't enter USA thru any other airport anymore. Used to fly thru SFO with UA, but they're hopeless now & probably going broke fast.)
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15282 times:
You know, SDA (Baghdad Saddam International ) has commercial flights in and out - I think it should be eligible for the list. While the better judgment of others has kept me from visiting, my understanding is that the aircraft have to fly in at higher altitude, more or less fly in a small, tight, circular pattern directly above the field down - to avoid the possibility of surface-to-air missile strikes. I think it should be considered for the list.
"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
Tegucigalpa was quite a sight when I stopped there about 1989. Landing at the airport, our first sight was a shanty town of many connected wood shacks, parallel to the runway, where a woman was washing outside her house. While, at the other end of the runway was a brand new Dunkin Donuts store. Then, when the CO flight pulled up to the single terminal building, we could see old bullet holes in the outside wall !!....that was somewhat scary.
A scary airport is MRD and maybe STT which both have runways alongside, and ending at a mountain.
: In my opinion, DCA isn't scary at all. It is interesting, but hardly scary.
: Depends on whether you're flying the airplane or riding in the back. If you're riding, expect to get bumped around when you get close to the airport.
: No SBH on the list? I'm sure that be quite scary for a load of folks who weren't expecting an exhilirating final approach!
: saw a jet crash there about 12 years ago. Think it was a United Express BAe146. Don't think anyone died tho.
: JFK scary but LGA not scary? The list is not so good. A Sao Paulo Congonhas landing enables views into people's dining rooms inside their condos. A la
: They've obviously never flown out of Valdez, Alaska on a below minimum day.
: JFK is not scary at all. LGA can be a little intimidating to non-New Yorkers who rarely fly in there, as you come in on final straight over the bay, i
: Has anyone flown into El Alto airport at La Paz, Bolivia? Isn't that quite a scary airport to fly into c'onsidering it sits 13K above sea level? Somet
: Nope. Only thing remotely like that was one having an uncontained engine failure according to the NTSB site.
: What is so challenging about LAP? I have been in their numerous times and as I recall it is in the middle of a field. It isn't near as challenging as
: 'Twas a Gulfstream in 2003. Wilkes, I say sit on the right side of the aircraft to get the best view of the mountain ridge that seems to come up and
: You read my mind... I'm surprised that this one didn't make the list, with the runway being at such an angle on the mountain side, it takes one hell
: Väröy, Norway, closed to regular traffic due to downdraft Goma, DRC, next to a very active vulcano.
: How about BUR? Nearby mountains, a crowded terminal that is EXTREMELY close to the runways, and runways themselves so short that they leave absolutely
: I'm still trying to figure this one out-- our runway runs more East/West then North/South. Maybe you're talking about those now-and-then flights that
: Don't forget WLG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_LaAkAyoz0 Always great for a roller-coaster landing.
: - KT already has a posthumous nod on my list. But who asked me? - DCA? As long as the pilot is keen and the pax love the view, no prob on the RivVis1
: Im pretty sure everyone knows nearby home or frequently visited airport which are scary for different reason. From Italy, the most significant I can n
: Indeed, FNC still gives me sweaty palms, especially that last turn above the ocean if you land from the south, but it's not as bad as it was before t
: Travel & Leisure magazine, noted aviation authority? "Scary," to whom? Does scary equate to dangerous? The scariest airport will always be the deck of
: I think the La Paz that the original poster was referring to was not LAP in Baja California, Mexico, but instead LPB, which is El Alto Airport in La
: SFO as well for sure. Final approach for the 28's too close to the water for their comfort
: This list is kind of wrong. JFK and DCA aren't scary, the pilots just need to be on top of their game. I dont really see how SXM is scary either. Saba
: SAN? Really? Not scary to me at all. Nor is JFK. DCA is fun to fly into. From videos i have seen, I would give my votes to TGU and the old Kai Tak. A
: I would put SDU on the list ! What helps is the beutiful view of Rio de Janeiro, otherwise...
: Well, based on their interpretation of scary, yes. Of course we all know better. There are the safe airports, the really safe airports, and the place