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The Five Safest Airlines  
User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11688 times:

According to a recent study the 5 safest airlines in order are:

Qantas
Cathay Pacific
ANA
EL AL
Finnair

Link below:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3671719,00.html

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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11577 times:

Three of the TOP 5 are from oneworld, not bad.

User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11523 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 2):

Oh yeah!

hahaha, I just realised, well the only let down about Oneworld is BA...  Smile



seemyseems
User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11437 times:

Statistics can be too easily manipulated. For example, Air Zimbabwe often appears on the most dangerous list due to 2 accidents that were both caused by deliberate shoot-downs by surface to air missles in the 1970's. Its small size means that it has a very high accident rate as a result. Conversely, in this survey El Al has been given a wonderful safety rating yet it has lost a cargo 747 that killed many on the ground and it had check-in passengers killed in terrorist activities at airports. I am not saying that El Al is unsafe, nor that Air Zimbabwe is safe, just that an understanding of how the statistics are complied and what is and isn't included is needed.

Seeing the rational of the survey- no passenger fatalities in the past 30 years- is too bias to formulate a meaningful result. Statistically it favours mid-size airlines from developed countries. Larger carriers that have operated far more flights, yet have suffered an accident, are no less safe than those on the list. Likewise excluding crew or ground fatalities is positively disrespectful to those who died in such circumstances.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11398 times:

Quoting Semsem (Thread starter):
According to a recent study the 5 safest airlines in order are:

Qantas
Cathay Pacific
ANA
EL AL
Finnair

Those surveys are often misleading. As just one example, how can El Al be rated safer than Southwest, which probably carries as many passengers in one year as LY has in its entire history? Southwest has never had a passenger fatality in their 38 years of operations. If not mistaken their only accident involving a fatality was the overrun onto a city street at MDW a few years ago where the aircraft hit a car killing a passenger in the car.

And why only consider passenger flights? The 4 crew killed on the LY 747 freighter when it crashed into an apartment building after takeoff from AMS in 1992 (and the 39 people killed on the ground) shouldn't be considered as mere footnotes.

[Edited 2009-02-15 17:57:35]

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11359 times:



Quoting Semsem (Thread starter):
Qantas
Cathay Pacific
ANA
EL AL
Finnair

I disagree, because that study is not done with a relative assessment, for example, how many flights has DL had throughout its history compared to the rest etc. So whats the percentage.



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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11359 times:

Quoting Semsem (Thread starter):
EL AL

Really? I thought their safety rating was being downgraded by the FAA for safety reasons....

Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 1):
While we're on the matter, I wonder who the 5 least safest airlines are?

Probably the black listed airlines.

I would like to know this as well.

[Edited 2009-02-15 17:52:49]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11291 times:

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 7):
Quoting Semsem (Thread starter):
EL AL

Really? I thought their safety rating was being downgraded by the FAA for safety reasons....

I think you're confusing El Al with TLV airport which was downgraded by the FAA due to not meeting certain FAA standards. I don't think that had anyting to do with the airline.

[Edited 2009-02-15 18:29:09]

User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11157 times:

The FAA problem was with Ben Gurion Airport; not EL AL. Here is link:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1048359.html

The EL AL Cargo crash 15 years ago was not a passenger plane and was fault of Boeing.
Shootings at check-in counters has nothing to do with aircraft safety.

I have no clue how Aero magazine made their conclusions. Would be interesting to read.

Southwest may have had no crashes but they were involved in a maintenance scandal / fines a year ago.


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2148 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11011 times:

For one, I'd feel very safe on an El Al flight. I have great confidence in that airline!

asturias



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17065 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10870 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
As just one example, how can El Al be rated safer than Southwest, which probably carries as many passengers in one year as LY has in its entire history? Southwest has never had a passenger fatality in their 38 years of operations.

Agree with you. That is a great example. I dont really think that this list is correct.



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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10819 times:

I thought that BA would be listed on this Top 5.


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User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10793 times:

Not sure how accurate that list is. Take FR for example, they carried over 50m pax last year and have had no fatalities since they were founded. Why don't they deserve to be in that list? The same goes for many other airlines.

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4679 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10781 times:



Quoting Semsem (Reply 8):
The EL AL Cargo crash 15 years ago was not a passenger plane and was fault of Boeing.

IIRC (I'm not able to find the accident report right now) the separation was due to faulty maintenance. During the parlementary inquiry it surfaced that LY pressed engineers to sign of parts that should have been replaced.

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/v...41992®=4X-AXG&airline=El+Al+Cargo



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10766 times:

This article is self explanatory that the crash was from Boeing negligence. Same for the similar China Airlines crash a few months before.

http://www.businessweek.com/archives/1993/b332654.arc.htm


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10622 times:

I am surprised that EL AL was not first...


The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10605 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 11):
I thought that BA would be listed on this Top 5.

 Confused

Are we supposed to just overlook the fact that one of their planes recently nearly ended up killing all pax on board.....?


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4679 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10565 times:



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):


Are we supposed to just overlook the fact that one of their planes recently nearly ended up killing all pax on board.....?

Considering that isn't included in the scope of the study (fatalities in the last 30 years) it doesn't matter. Doesn't say that I agree with the study though....



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10549 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 17):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
Are we supposed to just overlook the fact that one of their planes recently nearly ended up killing all pax on board.....?

Considering that isn't included in the scope of the study (fatalities in the last 30 years) it doesn't matter. Doesn't say that I agree with the study though....

Well, I have to admit that I only read the article wich comes up on clicking the link in the opening thread......all it says is

The companies that made it into the top five all have been flying for over three decades without any passenger aircraft accidents.

BA had one hell of a huge "passenger aircraft accident"...they had to write off the whole plane! The article says nothing about "fatalities".....of course, I do clarify that I have read nothing beyond the immediate article to the link in the OT....


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22924 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10537 times:



Quoting Semsem (Reply 14):
This article is self explanatory that the crash was from Boeing negligence. Same for the similar China Airlines crash a few months before.

It seems to me like picking and choosing accidents arbitrarily starts us down a really slippery slope. It's probably far easier just to look at fatalities.

Quoting JRadier (Reply 17):
(fatalities in the last 30 years)

I wonder how meaningful that statistic is. Take LA, for instance. They've had about 25 passenger fatalities in the last 30 years. Those were from 2 landing accidents that happened 15 or 20 years ago (one at CJC and one, IIRC, at PUQ). What does either of those accidents have to do with safety today? I'd argue nothing.



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10470 times:

I agree, some things don't make sense. Would like to know how they made the conclusions.

User currently offlineVc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1408 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10445 times:



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 18):
The companies that made it into the top five all have been flying for over three decades without any passenger aircraft

Now you might not count the following Qantas incidents as an accident, but sometimes the difference between an incident and an accident is where the the incident happened

23 Sept 1999 at Bangkok, Qantas 747 over ran the runway

23 July 2000 at Rome, Qantas 747 gear collapsed during taxi

25 July 2008 near Manila, Qantas 747 had an explosive decompression during cruise

Thankfully there were no fatalities during these incidents, and they surely do not make Qantas an unsafe airline, and I would feel happy to fly with them anyday

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
Are we supposed to just overlook the fact that one of their planes recently nearly ended up killing all pax on board.....?

Now was this British Airways fault, or did their crew avert by their actions due to perhaps good training, a worst incident. I believe that although the authorities have some idea as to what caused the incident they are not certain.

Your comments are like blaming BOAC for the Comet crashes. No, you can only blame an airline for accidents when some part of their organization can be proved to be at fault, not because of some design fault with the product they are flying

littlevc10


User currently offlineJER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10400 times:

Another example on how data can misrepresent situations is Concorde...

Until the AF crash in 2000, Concorde had no serious incidents and no fatalities. This in effect made it one of the safest airliners in the sky. After the crash, where 113 people died, Concorde statistically became one of the most unsafe airliners in the sky due to its low number of cycles in comparison to other a/c types.

Its interesting how in the space of a few hours something can change so quickly. If one of the airlines mentioned above had a fatal incident (a la CO in BUF) they would drop straight off the Top 5 list... is it really representative of how safe they are?

I don't think so...



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