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Quick Nonrev To Narita.  
User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Hey everyone,

I'm looking at trying to nonrev to Tokyo and back Thursday/Friday on CO flights 7/6. Yeah crazy I know. There and back. First class is wide open and I am itching to fly again. I have a couple of questions. We would not check any bags and since we are flying back immediately on the return, do we have to go through customs? If so. Say we will be in first and therefore likely to get off the plane quick, will we be able to do it in less than an hour? Is there a checkinby customs and how is security at NRT. It's a 510p departure. Also. What is the departure tax for Narita and where is it paid?

Thanks,
Danny


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25202 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

I transited thru NRT not too long ago. Not a quick turn like you propose, but from one nonrev airline to another.

You should be able to stay airside, however might get a bit of grief. My first problem was trying to access the transit/departure area after arrival. One must clear security before being allowed into the transit area and to do that, they check boarding passes of all passengers. Since I did not have a boarding pass they asked for an itinerary which obviously I also did not have. After a few minutes of trying to explain, flashing various forms of airline and airport IDs, I was let thru.
Problem number two was that since most gates are not staffed until just prior to boarding one must find a place to check in. I was flying United and was directed to some customer service booth they had in the transit area. The agent did check me in, however admonished me several times stating all nonrevs were supposed to processed at the ticket counter.

I'm not sure if CO has such a desk in transit, otherwise you will have to be at the mercy of the staff at the gate which seemingly dont arrive until just prior to departure, and might have other nonrevs cleared way before you at the counter.


Anyhow, enjoy the trip.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3205 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Quoting Fiveholer (Thread starter):
I'm looking at trying to nonrev to Tokyo and back Thursday/Friday on CO flights 7/6.

Excellent! 

I've done this a couple times now and still love it.

Quoting Fiveholer (Thread starter):
do we have to go through customs?

No, you can transit and remain in the international flights area. However, if you're anything like me I prefer to get the passport stamp haha.

Quoting Fiveholer (Thread starter):
will we be able to do it in less than an hour?

Depends when you arrive, but most likely 'yes'. The Japanese have a very quick and easy (albeit thorough) customs process.

Quoting Fiveholer (Thread starter):
and how is security at NRT.

Again, quick and easy. The Japanese seem to do everything more efficiently than the USA.

Quoting Fiveholer (Thread starter):
Also. What is the departure tax for Narita and where is it paid?

Payroll deduct. It's not like EZE or anything where you have to pay in the airport on cash or card. It's just simply deducted out of your paycheck along with the international nonrev charges.


Now with regard to NRT, I've done the international "quick-turn" a couple times now, both going outside of customs and just doing transfer security. If you do international transfer (as you should be able to) you will need some proof of a connecting flight. Obviously you won't have a boarding pass, so if you can print out some sort of nonrev itinerary that is your best option. Even if you can just take a screenshot of the flights you've listed on with dep/arr times and city pairs, that will suffice. You just show that at security then proceed through.

Even if you list for all flights on the same itinerary, IAH-NRT-IAH or EWR-NRT-EWR (not sure which is CO7/6), you will still have to re-checkin at the gate in NRT as LAXintl said. Again, I've done this a few times and they usually don't mind it too much. About the worst I've got is a raised eyebrow and weird look from the gate agents.

If you decide to go through customs that tends to go quite fast too. This past November I flew ORD-NRT-HNL on UA/NW and decided to go through customs to get the passport stamp. We arrived at what must have been a peak arrivals time at around 400pm local. Anyhow, the line for passport control probably lasted 15 minutes, then customs took an easy 4 or 5. No more than 30 mins total, all said and done. Check-in is easy too. If you are listed for a premium cabin (I trust you are), they let you use that respective line for check-in too, even as a nonrev.

In my experience, the ticket counter agents at NRT have *always* given me a boarding pass and seat assignment at check-in with NW (even for World Business Class), but have *never* been given one with UA. So, it's probably hit or miss with the CO agents, I wouldn't know what to expect with them.

Outbound passport control is quite easy. After that, you just go wait by the gate for your name to be called same as any other nonrev flight. Pretty simple flying through NRT on nonrev, one of the more enjoyable international destinations to do it at.

[Edited 2009-02-16 11:04:35]

User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

Wow, great info! Thank you guys! It sounds like I will hurry and probably clear customs to get the passport stamp. I also didn't think of other nonrevs being cleared before me at the counter vs. the gate where as stated agents won't be there right away. So, checkin a the counter sounds better to me now. Um, on the departure tax. It is not a payroll deduct for us. Especially since these are "vacation" passes being free of charge. I used a a couple back in October to do TUL-EWR-DUB-EWR-TUL. At checkin in DUB I was asked if I had paid my depature tax to which I replied no. I didn't know there was one. I was directed to a CO staffed counter very near the actual checkin' I paid with CC and was on my way through security. Once onboard I was approached and told that I had still not paid the tax to which I showed my receipt. (which looked like a boarding pass with the amount paid on it) Pays to hang onto those things! I guess it hadn't cleared yet when they checked. All was good after that. Also, CO 7/6 are through IAH. My question is...since I have never traversed the international dateline and it makes my head hurt thinking of the insane time change, CO7 leaves IAH at 10:45a on Thursday and arrives at NRT 330p FRIDAY. The return leaves NRT at 510p on Friday and arrives back at IAH at around 1pm. On which day though, Friday or Saturday? Big grin That is important as I have a friend lined up to cover my Saturday shift if I need him to.

Thanks again,
Danny



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2795 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

The return leg NRT-IAH arrives same day. So, departing NRT at 1710 on Friday yields a IAH arrival of 1300 on Friday.

When I non-revved on CO6 in 2009, we paid the equivalent of $20 USD per person, obviously in Yen, and they ONLY accepted cash. Not sure if this has changed, but that was my experience a few years ago. Enjoy the trip and hope they still serve sushi in BusinessFirst!


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3205 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4240 times:



Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 3):
NRT 330p FRIDAY. The return leaves NRT at 510p on Friday

Aye aye aye.... fast turn time for an international flight. Um... does the NRT-EWR happen to depart any later?? 1 hour and 40 minutes is pushing one's luck with the nonrev gods to get through customs and back in time. If you had any sort of customs delay it would be quite possible you'd miss the flight.

The absolute fastest I've EVER done was one hour flat, and that was doing international connecting security - no customs. Even then, I ran up to the gate when they were halfway through boarding, soon to announce final boarding.

Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 3):
It sounds like I will hurry and probably clear customs to get the passport stamp.

Always good, but is there anyway you can arrive earlier?? Does the EWR-NRT arrive before the IAH-NRT does?? Or vice-versa, can you take the IAH-NRT and then home on the NRT-EWR?? Any extra time would be a HUGE bonus in that situation.

Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 3):
I also didn't think of other nonrevs being cleared before me at the counter vs. the gate where as stated agents won't be there right away. So, checkin a the counter sounds better to me now.

You will be given a seat assignment based on the priority list, not whoever shows their face first. That is, if there are 10 J-class seats open and you are #13 on the waitlist and check-in at the counter, it's not like they'll automatically just give it to you then.

But as you said, this time of year the loads tend to be wide-open so you should have no problem getting a good seat no matter if you check in at the counter or at the gate. And as I have NO idea how CO runs their nonrev system, it's quite possible that they will only clear nonrevs into business class at the gate and not at the ticket counter. NW is the only airline I know of that will give international business class seats to nonrevs at the ticket counter... UA, AA, and DL do not.

Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 3):
Um, on the departure tax. It is not a payroll deduct for us. Especially since these are "vacation" passes being free of charge.

Hmm... didn't know about that!! Well, unfortunately in that case then I have NO idea how that would work. The airlines I nonrev on are 100% payroll deduct for all dep/arr taxes, even if you are on vacation or incentive passes.


Enjoy the 777's and your short time in NRT!!


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2795 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4232 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 5):
NW is the only airline I know of that will give international business class seats to nonrevs at the ticket counter... UA, AA, and DL do not.

I flew non-rev last week on UA892, ICN-SFO, and the agent at the ticket counter assigned me a seat in United Business. Additionally, a DL ticket agent (not the gate) assigned me a BusinessElite seat for CPT-DKR. Not sure about official policies, but these are just my experiences...  Smile


User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Well, I think I changed my mind. I think I will go next week and spend one night near the airport at the Intercontinental I think it is. Good hotel for the price apparently. I think we would just be absolutely hammered dead doing the quick turn. Looks like if the loads hold up well for J class I will go next Thursday, arrive Friday afternoon, stay the night to rest a bit and leave Saturday afternoon and return either through IAH or EWR on Saturday. Those 2 flights leave at 510p to IAH and 545p to EWR. So there are options if the loads aren't good for J. I don't want to be stuck in Y for 13 hours! I am trying to avoid the return through EWR as it is a 3 hour XRJ flight on the return to TUL and I just hate going through EWR with the delays. I would much rather be garunteed a 1 hour return ERJ flight to TUL through IAH with what is all but sure to be delay free. Not to mention much better departure times. Is there anywhere on the net to find a recent list of departure taxes for world airports. You guys have been really helpful. I am excited and just have to hope for the loads to stay open.

Thanks!
Danny



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3205 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4190 times:



Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 6):
I flew non-rev last week on UA892, ICN-SFO, and the agent at the ticket counter assigned me a seat in United Business. Additionally, a DL ticket agent (not the gate) assigned me a BusinessElite seat for CPT-DKR. Not sure about official policies, but these are just my experiences...

Hmm.... interesting!! There are some airports I know of that seem to mandate that all pax (including nonrevs) must have a boarding pass and seat assignment before they pass through outbound passport control. Were ICN or CPT/DKR like this??

In my experiences I only know of a few that do this: KWI, DEL, and HKG (I think)

Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 7):
I think we would just be absolutely hammered dead doing the quick turn.

Oddly enough they're not too bad. That is, if you can sleep easily on planes. Personally I'm the type of person that could sleep through armageddon so sleeping 8-9 hours straight comes pretty easily and *really* helps the whole jetlag. But, if you're not an easy sleeper on planes, an international quickturn probably is hell on the body.

Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 7):
Is there anywhere on the net to find a recent list of departure taxes for world airports.

Not that I know of. However according to my employee site, on my last NRT flight, NRT-IAD in C-class, I was deducted $32.90 in taxes. Part of that is for the US arrival tax, which costs something like $15.40 (I forget the exact figure). So you're probably looking at something in the ballpark of 20 bucks... not too bad at all.

Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 7):
I am excited and just have to hope for the loads to stay open.

While there are obviously no guarantees in non-revving, mid-February tends to be a great travel season for us. Big grin

Wide-open business class to just about anywhere... save for maybe South America.


User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4175 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
Hmm.... interesting!! There are some airports I know of that seem to mandate that all pax (including nonrevs) must have a boarding pass and seat assignment before they pass through outbound passport control. Were ICN or CPT/DKR like this??

In my experiences I only know of a few that do this: KWI, DEL, and AND OLD: Hong Kong - Kai Tak International (HKG / VHHH) (closed), China - Hong Kong">HKG

DUB was a little different. We were not given seat assignments at the ticket counter but just the standard pass to get through security AND passport control. Once at the gate, the actual seating area was roped off with a podium at the entrance. We started to go have a seat until they checked our passes. Since we didn't yet have seats assigned we were asked to stay outside the roped seats until the desk called our names. Which they finally did after BF and Elites were called to board. We were given our seats in BF and boarded.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
Oddly enough they're not too bad. That is, if you can sleep easily on planes. Personally I'm the type of person that could sleep through armageddon so sleeping 8-9 hours straight comes pretty easily and *really* helps the whole jetlag. But, if you're not an easy sleeper on planes, an international quickturn probably is hell on the body.

I know my wife can do it as she slpet probably 5 or the 7 1/2 hours of DUB-EWR. I slept maybe 2 hours. I think NRT-IAH is pegged at 11:40 in the system. I doubt I could sleep more than a couple hours. I have a friend that is willing to pick up my Saturday if I want to overnight so we will probably do that.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
While there are obviously no guarantees in non-revving, mid-February tends to be a great travel season for us.

Indeed. While at work today, I followed the boarding for CO7. It was booked 30/50 in J. They cleared 17 nonrevs to go out with 47/50 up front!

Will have to give the finances a check after buying my car tag and insurance this week before I go green light on this.

Danny



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4141 times:



Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 6):
I flew non-rev last week on UA892, ICN-SFO, and the agent at the ticket counter assigned me a seat in United Business. Additionally, a DL ticket agent (not the gate) assigned me a BusinessElite seat for CPT-DKR. Not sure about official policies, but these are just my experiences...

I believe he was speaking more specifically of NRT.

Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 7):
the Intercontinental

IIRC this used to be owned by NW and they made a killing off it, then when Chechi and his goon squad took over NW the sold it and then leased it back.



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User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4119 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
IIRC this used to be owned by NW and they made a killing off it, then when Chechi and his goon squad took over NW the sold it and then leased it back.

Regardless...supposed to be pretty nice for a good rate! Big grin



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3205 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4105 times:



Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 11):
Regardless...supposed to be pretty nice for a good rate!

If you want to stay at any of the crew hotels,

NW stays at the Radisson Narita

AA and UA stay at the Narita Excel Hotel Tokyu (yes, it is "tokyu" not "tokyo")

DL stays at some place in downtown Tokyo, soon to move to to the Radisson - if they haven't already.

Unfortunately I have *no* idea where CO crews stay.

The last few times I've been in Narita I stayed at the Excel Tokyu. Very nice place and I think I paid 60 bucks for the night with the airline employee discount. They also have tons of airport shuttles, running every 15 minutes during peak periods of the day.


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