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Compare A US Airport With A European One!  
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7751 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

First off, I hope this thread will be fun and I hope the Mods dont delete because they think its stupid.  Wink

I started thinking about what the counterparts of our US Airports would be in Europe and why. Heres what I think:

EWR and LHR- I compare these two and not JFK because CO's route network from EWR would best resemble BA's at LHR vs. an DL or AA at JFK.
ORD and FRA- Both are huge finanical centers and have the air traffic to compare. LH's hub at FRA and UA's hub at ORD are both very extensive.
IAD and CDG- Both have large and extensive hubs and are big captials.
ATL and AMS- Both have a huge amount of flights for the amount of O&D that they have and both are extremely extensive hubs.
DFW/IAH and MUC/ZRH- Im a little undecided on this one because they both remind me of each other. Maybe someone else would give their opinion. Also Ive often heard Bavaria called Germany's Texas.  Wink
LAX and MXP- Both have lots of transatlantic service from foreign carriers and some from domestic carriers (AZ and AA/UA respectively). Still unsure about this one
MIA and MAD- This is obvious because of the huge Latin American network from both.

Im unsure of BOS, PHL, SFO, SEA, DEN, DTW, PHX, and MSP.

Anyway, Id love to hear everybodys thoughs!


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

SAN and LGW - two of the busiest "single runway" airports in the world. Even though I don't consider LGW as a single runway airport because unlike SAN, it has the backup runway.

PMI and CUN for the domination of charter traffic. (I know, CUN not in the US).

LCK and HHN as both are former military and secondary airports serving their area with an emphasis on cargo.

[Edited 2009-06-21 13:59:09]


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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

MSP and KEF-both have many short haul flights but also have a few TATL flights mostly serviced by one carrier but also a few other carriers

PHX and MLA-many short haul flights with mostly only one wide-body flight a day (I don't know how many wide-body flights MLA gets daily but I'm just guessing)



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2229 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

hahahaha...definitely an interesting thread...and requires a little critical thinking.

I would compare BOS to BCN. Both are strong-business and tourism oriented markets, but neither are really dominated by a major carrier. they have a good mix of carriers with large market shares (i.e. IB and Spanair are big at BCN, but obviously there are a plethora of other carriers with a healthy presence. Similar, at BOS - B6, AA, DL, and US are the big dogs, yet BOS gets a lot of traffic from Europe/Caribbean). Both have a high mix of intercontinental and domestic travel, and serve as key players in short-haul routes between large and important markets (i.e. BOS-JFK/DC/PHL and BCN-MAD).

Other comparisons...even though its not US, I think YYZ has a lot in common with LHR and probably more so with FRA...major business centers, extensive route network from the hubs, yet sizable presence of other foreign flag carriers competing for market share. YVR - similar to ZRH...serve key markets on the long-haul and short haul front, good balance of O&D and connecting PAX, yet nothing TOO large.

PHL is probably closest to DUB...large markets, relatively strong networks despite their proximity to megahubs like LHR and JFK. Although when it comes to carrier metrics, DUB is a more competitive environment between FR and EI, whereas US has a good stronghold on the Philly market.

I would place DEN and DFW with the likes of BRU. Very important hubs, big connecting centers along with a strong local catchment, but in terms of route structure, really only stick to key strategic markets where they can perform well.

SEA and SFO stump me...I feel like West coasts should be associated with Asia more. DTW and MSP are, hands down, structured very much like AMS and CDG, IMO.



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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Since YYZ got in the fray...

Maybe we could compare YUL with GVA: large secondary cities, but for quite a few destinations one needs to go through the main hub on the national carrier (I believe YUL has a better transatlantic service than GVA, though).


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7751 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4422 times:



Quoting Aircellist (Reply 4):
Since YYZ got in the fray...

I would compare YYZ with LHR. Thats the only airport in Europe that would fit YYZ that I know of.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 4):
Maybe we could compare YUL with GVA: large secondary cities, but for quite a few destinations one needs to go through the main hub on the national carrier (I believe YUL has a better transatlantic service than GVA, though).

I picture YUL more like a ARN or BRU. Lots of service from overseas carriers and some transatlantic service from the hometown carrier.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 3):
I would compare BOS to BCN. Both are strong-business and tourism oriented markets, but neither are really dominated by a major carrier.

That makes good sense to me. BOS primarily has Transatlantic service from overseas carriers as does BCN.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 3):
I would place DEN and DFW with the likes of BRU.

Hmmm...thats a little tougher. DEN I would see more like WAW or HEL because there is extensive service on a short haul level, but only a couple of transatlantic flights and very inland. DFW could be compared to BRU, but the hub at DFW is much larger than BRU. Plus DFW mostly serves the interior of the country, which is why ZRH or MUC came to mind. But I can see how DFW and BRU could be very similar because BRU has lots of service to the continent south (Africa) and DFW does too (South America).



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User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

As for me I would say . . .

FRA / ORD
AMS / DTW
LHR / JFK
LGW / EWR
STN / LGA
LTN / SWF
LCY / HPN
DUB / BOS
MAN / PHL
BRU / IAD
CDG / ATL
BCN / MCO
MAD / MIA
MUC / CLT
CPH / MSP
HEL / SEA
MXP / DFW
FCO / IAH
IST / LAX
SVO / SFO
VKO / OAK
WAW / MCI
TXL / STL
VIE / DEN
PRG / SLC
BUD / MEM
ATH / PHX

Ok, I'm giving this up, otherwise I would be at it ALL night !!!


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2229 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4221 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Reply 6):
FRA / ORD
AMS / DTW
LHR / JFK
LGW / EWR
STN / LGA
LTN / SWF
LCY / HPN
DUB / BOS
MAN / PHL
BRU / IAD
CDG / ATL
BCN / MCO
MAD / MIA
MUC / CLT
CPH / MSP
HEL / SEA
MXP / DFW
FCO / IAH
IST / LAX
SVO / SFO
VKO / OAK
WAW / MCI
TXL / STL
VIE / DEN
PRG / SLC
BUD / MEM
ATH / PHX

Hahaha...good effort. Some of them I can totally see. Others...not so much. You really think that SVO and SFO are alike?!



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User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

well, the thing i could have compared was

IAD/FRA

interestingly the urinals are just different in FRA



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User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3859 times:



Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 7):
You really think that SVO and SFO are alike?!

Well ony in terms of geographic location, if I'm going to say that HEL is like SEA and IST is like LAX then one of the Moscow airports would make sense as being SFO. It's basically the the US reversed, where the Western part of Europe represents the East Coast of the US and the far eastern part of Europe represents the West Coast of the US.

Some other I was think of, including some Canadian airports as well,

ZRH / YYZ
GVA / YUL
KEF / ANC
TFS / HNL
LPA / OGG
ACE / KOA
ALC / MYR
VLC / TPA
PMI / SJU
VCE / MSY


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3816 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
I picture YUL more like a ARN or BRU. Lots of service from overseas carriers and some transatlantic service from the hometown carrier.

BRU has no transatlantic service from the "hometown carrier". The only longhaul international services operated by Brussels Airlines (SN) are to Africa.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 4):
Maybe we could compare YUL with GVA: large secondary cities, but for quite a few destinations one needs to go through the main hub on the national carrier (I believe YUL has a better transatlantic service than GVA, though).

YUL and GVA are very different cities. YUL has a metro area population of about 3.6 million. GVA's population is about 450,000, or roughly 750,000 including communities within a radius of about 50 miles. However GVA airport handles almost as many passengers as YUL (11.6 million vs. 12.8 million in 2008). Not many cities as small as GVA are served by more than 40 airlines with scheduled service. That's largely due to GVA being the home of many major international organizations, including several large UN agencies, as well as the World Trade Organization, Red Cross, and many others.

YUL, with about a dozen scheduled translantic carriers, has significantly more transatlantic service than GVA, although GVA has doubled its transatlantic service within the past two months with UA starting GVA-IAD in April and AC GVA-YUL earlier this month, to add to the existing LX GVA-JFK and CO GVA-EWR routes.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3741 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
DEN I would see more like WAW or HEL because there is extensive service on a short haul level, but only a couple of transatlantic flights

WAW and HEL are rather different.
Yes HEL doesnt have much transatlatic service but in Europe HEL is known for the flights to Asia especially, its one of the major hubs in the Europe-Asia traffic.

So I would say SEA / HEL too.

Quoting Thestooges (Reply 6):
HEL / SEA



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
and very inland

Sorry what you mean by 'very inland'?


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