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User currently offline7324ever From Serbia, joined May 2009, 563 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

What airlines' do not get along. As in they would never code share, merge, or join the same alliance. Also some that go so far as to compete for dominance over one another?


Anything the US and EU build the Russians do it better! i.e. TU-144 vs Concorde and TU-154 vs The 727...
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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15489 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

VS and BA.
Also, back in the day American and Braniff had some huge battles. And then American had their legal battles with WN and DAL.
Virgin America and Alaska seem to hate each other too.



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1531 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

Frontier and United come to mind...

the original Frontier and Continental had quite a feud in DEN back in the day, too... but, the remains of that version ended up part of CO in the end.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Delta and the world?

 Wink



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User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

in Canada, AC and WS, 5T and 7F. BA and BD might be a good one for the uk over LHR slots. AI and IC even though they're in the merger proccess still have dissagreements

User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3297 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
Delta and the world?

AGREED! Some Delta crews are just snotty to others carrier's crews. Not all of them, but certainly more than any other carrier.


User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

A few topics in the past, including one I started.

Airline Rivalry (by Bakestar Mar 21 2006 in Civil Aviation)
Biggest Rivalres In Airline Industry (by Bmi330 Mar 8 2002 in Civil Aviation)
Biggest Airline Rivalry? (by Simairlinenet Jul 1 2006 in Aviation Polls)

I argued for:
1. American vs. United: the two largest airlines in the world, sparring for decades.
2. Pan Am vs. TWA: the great international rivalry for nearly half a century.
3. British Airways vs. Virgin Atlantic: colorful Branson against the BA establishment.
4. Delta vs. Eastern: Different origins but similar networks.
5. easyJet vs. Ryanair: Stelios and O'Leary.

Now, I think I would take Delta-Eastern out and put in American-Southwest.

[Edited 2009-06-23 19:02:26]

User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Lufthanasa and Air France/KLM


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User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Back in the 90's- Alaska and Morris, and Alaska and Markair.
in th 80's Alaska and Wien Air


User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Singapore and Cathay Pacific
Singapore and Qantas



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User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3025 times:



Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 6):
I argued for:
...............................
5. easyJet vs. Ryanair: Stelios and O'Leary

I would argue that this should read Ryanair versus everyone:

-2 hostile takeover bids of Aer lingus.
-Threats to bid for LH!...smart people knew it was for publicity.
-Regular legal cases against aviation regulators and/or airports.
-Lambasting of politicians no matter what country.
-All the logo jets- "no to BA fuel levy", "arivederci Alitalia","latehansa","goodbye LOT"(in polish),
-They generally undercut any airline who trys to operate from one of 'their' airports thus forcing that airline back out.


User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Does anyone know of any flights that have to be seperated passenger wise at departure or arrival for fear that passengers may end up fighting etc?

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2872 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 11):
Does anyone know of any flights that have to be seperated passenger wise at departure or arrival for fear that passengers may end up fighting etc?


no, that's just rediculous. Passengers don't take part in airline rivalrys!

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2869 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 11):
Does anyone know of any flights that have to be seperated passenger wise at departure or arrival for fear that passengers may end up fighting etc?

No way. Most passengers don't even care what airline they are traveling on; all they care about is how much they have to pay for a ticket. It's ridiculous to think passengers would even care about airline rivalries.

Now, if we had a select group of A.net members, it might be a different story. . .


User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1628 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2858 times:

Would you say there's any intense rivalry between the big three in the Middle East, Emirates-Qatar-Etihad? I don't really feel it, but I was wondering what others thought...


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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1669 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

EK versus QR
SQ versus MH



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User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2743 times:



Quoting Bramble (Reply 10):
Threats to bid for LH!...smart people knew it was for publicity.

Smart people know that most of what MOL does is for publicity.

My vote goes to BA vs VS.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...uary/11/newsid_2520000/2520189.stm


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2698 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
VS and BA.

Strange that everyone believes there is fierce rivalry between BA and VS when in reality there is much co-operation between them.

Quoting Slinky09 (Reply 16):
My vote goes to BA vs VS.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...9.stm

Everyone seems to make a mountain out of a molehill on this episode - BA poaching VS customers at check-in, BA offering VS Upper Class free upgrades to Concorde, BA spreading rumours that VS aircraft were unsafe, BA informing VS customers that their flights were overbooked, BA spreading rumours about aids-infected needles found in Branson's Haven nightclub etc were some of the accusations made by Branson against BA. However, Branson's only victory against BA was for comments that BA managers had made in an internal BA staff newspaper. Fueled by his victory in the UK courts, Branson took the case to the US and promply lost. This is something that Branson, and his admirers, will never mention.

Lord King and many BA directors constantly tolerated Branson's taunts and being the professionals they were, ignored them for a long time. Lord King was quoted as referring to VS as "an annoying fly that would not go away". However, matters came to a head and Lord King's tolerance snapped when VS was granted access to LHR when the "dirty tricks" were alleged to have taken place.



MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2686 times:



Quoting BCAL (Reply 17):
Strange that everyone believes there is fierce rivalry between BA and VS when in reality there is much co-operation between them.

Perhaps not as fierce now, but the rivalry was pretty heated back in the day.


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

PSA and AirCal had a great rivalry in the California Market. When one airline cancelled a flight everyone ran over to the other.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2638 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 11):
Does anyone know of any flights that have to be separated passenger wise at departure or arrival for fear that passengers may end up fighting etc?

I can recall there being a few incidents where fans of rival sporting teams were traveling on the same flights, and there being some trouble. It's a faded memory, but when two of the English clubs had a game against each other in Europe rings a bell - nothing to do with rivalries between airlines mind you.

The only other instance I could think of is if a large group of religion A who disliked religion B were traveling on the same ElAl flight, then there may be some aggression directed towards the airline, but it's very very unlikely.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

QF and CX (even though they are in the same alliance)
QF and SQ
QF and V Australia
Tiger Airways and Jetstar


User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1443 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

QF vs CX

Even though they share an Alliance together they are fierce competitors on the SW Pac.-HK market the only co operation is QF's code on CX's HKG-FCO flight. QF even use AF as their partner to France (including co operation on a AF operated HKG-CDG flight!)


Another one that comes to mind is EK vs Everyone



Vhq.



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User currently offlineFilAmAirlines From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Aircal, UA, and Pacific Southwest Airlines or PSA for inter-California routes


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2463 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Virgin America and Alaska seem to hate each other too.

I wouldn't say that.... I would say more like VX vs. the entire U.S. airline industry.



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