Gift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5084 times:
I appreciate any help anyone can give. Here is the situation, the daughter of a close co-worker is going on a dream vacation to Indonesia. She is flying on 3 airlines, the likes of which we have never heard of. I've done some research on my own, thanks to wikipedia and google, here is the information I've found so far.
The first airine is Batavia Air. She is traveling on 10AUG from Jakarta-Pontianak on flt #201 a 06:00 departure. Batavia is the only airline not found on the EU blacklist. And their website seems to be well kept. They began flying in 2002. And fly a mix fleet of Boeing, and Airbii, with A330s on order.
The second airline, also the most concerning is Kalstar Air. 10AUG from Pontianak-Pangkalanbuun on flt #922, a 08:45 departure. Kalstar was just recently added to the EU black list in April of this year. They have a fleet of 4 aircraft, none of which are operated directly by kalstar. 3 ATR-42s, and a single Fokker 28.
The third and final airline is Riau Air, from Pangkalanbuun back to Jakarta on 12AUG. There is no flight number listed, the information might just not be available to me, but the flight is a 15:10 departure. Riau air has been on the EU black list for several years.
So this is the little information I was able to find. If anyone has flown these airlines or can point me in the direction to find out more information. It'd be greatly appreciated. The biggest concern of my co-worker is that her daughter not fly on the Fokker, which is only a 1 in 4 chance of happening. So if anyone knows the route that aircraft usually flies, it'd be very helpful.
Afterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5059 times:
EU have just taken off four airlines from the blacklist, They are Garuda Indonesia, Mandala Airlines, and two charter airlines. The other airlines, including Batavia, are still on the list. The scheduled airlines I know that are using Fokker are Merpati Nusantara (F-27?, F-28, F-100), Riau Airlines (F-50), and Indonesia Air Transport (F-27, F-50). The Fokkers are mostly used in the eastern part of Indonesia, except the ones operated by Riau Airlines. You can find out more about Indonesian aviation in threads like Indonesia Aviation 2009 Part 2 (by GARUDAROD Jun 6 2009 in Civil Aviation) .
Debonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2417 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5010 times:
Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 2): I didn't see them on the list anywhere....but then again it is a VERY long list and I easily could've missed it.
You have to start searching under "M" and not "B"- the real Name of Batavia is (PT) Metro Batavia...
BTW: only important is the foreword:
"All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Indonesia, with the exception of Garuda Indonesia, Airfast Indonesia, Mandala Airlines, and Ekspres Transportasi Antarbenua," (just for info: last one is better known as premiair)
Ptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3935 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5004 times:
I've traveled a bit in Indonesia. I don't doubt that air travel over there is relatively unsafe.
However, I feel that when you chose to travel to a country like Indonesia, it's best to accept the local way of life, and not worry about such matters too much. The chances of disppearing into the sewer system through the giant holes in the sidewalks are also much bigger than back home.
It makes sense to avoid the worst carriers (from the thread linked to by Debonair, Lion Air would be on the top of my list), but avoiding aircraft types only makes sense if you have specific information. I wonder what makes you worry, specifically, about the Fokker F28. I''ve been shown around a (or the) Pelita / Kalstar Fokker F28 (which is indeed operated in Eastern Indonesia) and this happens to be a very well-kept former presidential aircraft.