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Really...How Bad Is Coach In A DL/NW 744?  
User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 355 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

I'm planning a non-rev trip in the coming days, and one of the possible destinations is Tokyo. The only flight I can take (because I will be on a buddy pass and because DL and NW inventory have not yet been merged) is the ATL-NRT flight, which is operated by a legacy NW 747-400. Obviously, I am hoping to get a seat in J, but if I do not, will I really be that miserable in Y? I have heard references about how dated the Y cabins on those planes look, etc. I usually only use the PTV to watch the map, and I hope to be knocked out on Ambien for a good chunk of the flight, so will it really be that bad? Are the seats really any less comfortable than Y seats on other U.S. airlines?

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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

No PTV, overhead CRTs only. No free liquor unless DL changed that.

User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10097 times:

Thank you for the reply. That was my point about the PTV comment, though. I don't really ever use it to watch movies, so not having one isn't that big a deal to me. They now offer free beer and wine (but not liquor) on all long-haul international destinations (i.e., excluding Caribbean, Central American, and some South American destinations).

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10013 times:



Quoting Josh32121 (Thread starter):
Obviously, I am hoping to get a seat in J, but if I do not, will I really be that miserable in Y? I have heard references about how dated the Y cabins on those planes look, etc. I usually only use the PTV to watch the map, and I hope to be knocked out on Ambien for a good chunk of the flight, so will it really be that bad? Are the seats really any less comfortable than Y seats on other U.S. airlines?

You're using a buddy pass. Don't complain dude. With the loads these days, if you get lucky, you may have a row to yourself.



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User currently offlineXdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9871 times:



Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 2):

Check again.... No Buddy passes on NW metal until fully integrated, not even if
the plane is "in DL colors".


User currently offlineDavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9697 times:



Quoting Xdlx (Reply 4):
Check again.... No Buddy passes on NW metal until fully integrated, not even if the plane is "in DL colors".

DL0801 ATL-NRT, while operated on a NW aircraft, is a DL flight, therefore it is bookable for a DL buddy pass.

NW0782 DTW-LHR, while operated on a DL aircraft, is a NW flight, therefore it is NOT bookable for a DL buddy pass.

It's not the "metal" that matters, it's dependant on if it's a DL or NW flight.



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User currently offlineSeaMeFly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9457 times:

One reminder: Beggars can't be choosy Big grin ...

that being said, NW/DL changed the liquor policy. Beers and wines are free whilst it is 700 yen or 7 USD for cocktails... Midflight, you can purchase some snacks such as M&M, Pringles, etc..

RE: entertainment. Yes, it's the old projector style. and little tv monitor on both side of the aisle forward of MC and by the galley. Most likely they'll show 3 movies on ATL-NRT segment.

So, bring your own book/iphone with movies etc... It was told that they're planning to start lending people personal DVD (like those on 757 Biz class) so it would be closer to having your own PTV. I am not sure when will it take in to action. But it was in the company memo a few months ago.

Take lots of ambiens, the trip will go quick and painless..


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9384 times:

well......its as bad as you make it. If you don't care about PTVs and older seats then it wont be that bad. If your one of those types that think Y should be like F on SQ then you SOL. (which is a good bit of anet.....just sayin)......really its alot like a DL 763ER. save the leather seat covers(at least i don't believe any 744 have them yet).


yep.
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9953 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9347 times:



Quoting David21487 (Reply 5):
Quoting Xdlx (Reply 4):
Check again.... No Buddy passes on NW metal until fully integrated, not even if the plane is "in DL colors".

DL0801 ATL-NRT, while operated on a NW aircraft, is a DL flight, therefore it is bookable for a DL buddy pass.

NW0782 DTW-LHR, while operated on a DL aircraft, is a NW flight, therefore it is NOT bookable for a DL buddy pass.

It's not the "metal" that matters, it's dependant on if it's a DL or NW flight.

 checkmark 


Exactly right. It states that buddy passes are not allowed on NW "routes" until full integration.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9293 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 8):
Exactly right. It states that buddy passes are not allowed on NW "routes" until full integration.

is JFK-NRT a NW route? If not i would say take the 777 over the 744, which is much better in Y(the 777 that is) and if you get lucky and its a 77L the C seats are much better too.



yep.
User currently offlineDavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9153 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):
is JFK-NRT a NW route? If not i would say take the 777 over the 744, which is much better in Y(the 777 that is) and if you get lucky and its a 77L the C seats are much better too.

Yes, JFK-NRT is a NW route. No buddy passes allowed.



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User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Me and my wife recently flew on N676NW (NW crew Delta colors 744) on our return trip HNL-ATL. The plane was overall very clean and comfortable I have no complaints about the flight. The flight to HNL was nice though we were on a Delta 763 that had PTV's at every seat. The games kept us busy for a long time  Smile

James


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8813 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):
well......its as bad as you make it. If you don't care about PTVs and older seats then it wont be that bad. If your one of those types that think Y should be like F on SQ then you SOL. (which is a good bit of anet.....just sayin)......really its alot like a DL 763ER. save the leather seat covers(at least i don't believe any 744 have them yet).

Huh? Y on DL should be on par with Y on SQ, assuming DL wants to be recognized as a real international carrier. But of course DL doesn't have to be anything like SQ because DL doesn't have to compete with SQ.

I found it interesting that in 2001, United's coach product Chicago-London was comparable to BA's business product London-Phoenix, with the obvious exception of legroom. BA's coach product Phoenix-London was on par with any US domestic of the time. I've no idea what they are like now - I last flew BA in 2006 London-Dublin and it was, shall we say, less than what we're led to believe is typical for Europe.

I remember the days when BA handed out the hot towels in coach. That was a long time ago.


User currently offlineTtailfan From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6822 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
You're using a buddy pass. Don't complain dude.

That was my thought. You're traveling non-rev but you want to complain about the quality of the cabin? I feel sorry for your buddy who is arranging this travel for you if you voice these complaints on the trip. Your actions reflect on him/her.

Consider yourself fortunate that you have access to non-rev travel. Every other person warming those seats actually had to pay to sit in it.

Make sure you have a back up plan. With the reduced schedules, the planes are boarding near capacity in many instances so that makes non-rev more difficult.


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1581 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Wait, I don't know Josh32121 but maybe he was just asking a question.....

I flew already on buddies passes and kept my mouth shut, but still, you're entitled to have an opinion....and for that matter I used TW and SQ buddies passes.

But I won't compare because they were from 2 different worlds, and I still loved my TW flight though PTV on SQ were fantastic (among the 1st PTV on the Celestar)



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User currently offlineSevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6665 times:



Quoting Ttailfan (Reply 13):
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
You're using a buddy pass. Don't complain dude.

That was my thought. You're traveling non-rev but you want to complain about the quality of the cabin? I feel sorry for your buddy who is arranging this travel for you if you voice these complaints on the trip. Your actions reflect on him/her.

Calm down. He's only asking what it would be like. I don't see any moaning or complaining, just asking for feedback.

I have non-rev'd all my life. I have zero tolerance for anyone who abuses the privilege in any way shape or form. Doesn't mean I can't choose a route / airline based on their reputation for comfort, reliability, aircraft type etc.



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineJSquared From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

I flew a NW 744 MSP-NRT last year and found the cabin experience to be very similar to NW domestic A320s & 757s, which means some worn blue camo fabric and mostly functional tray tables, but otherwise pretty decent. Flight attendants were nice and food was above my expectations. That said my international experience has been pretty limited as I've only flown NW, DL and EI long haul economy...

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If you sit in Y and don't mind being in the back of the plane, check out the window-side seats in rows 63-65 - lots of extra room on the side to put stuff.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Nor...thwest_Airlines_Boeing_747-400.php


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1824 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

If you're a good sleeper, I don't think you'll mind economy on the 744 for the long haul. I find the seats to be quite comfortable and the crews to be very good. It's not the worst experience in the world by any means.

Quoting Ttailfan (Reply 13):
Consider yourself fortunate that you have access to non-rev travel. Every other person warming those seats actually had to pay to sit in it.

Well, technically the OP (or someone else) will be paying to sit in that seat too. It just won't be as much . . .


User currently offlineMikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6302 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 12):
I found it interesting that in 2001, United's coach product Chicago-London was comparable to BA's business product London-Phoenix, with the obvious exception of legroom. BA's coach product Phoenix-London was on par with any US domestic of the time. I've no idea what they are like now - I last flew BA in 2006 London-Dublin and it was, shall we say, less than what we're led to believe is typical for Europe.

Why has BA always been so successful across the Atlantic then ? You'd think people would vote with their feet if BA businees is only as good as UA coach ! Wow, there's alot of people out there paying thousands for coach level service.

Who leads you to believe things about European air travel ?



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User currently offlineAviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

Well if you do go to Tokyo, I will warn you the Narita airport is a good distance from downtown Tokyo. The subway system is extensive, much like NYC but there is english on nearly every sign on the subway.   

I highly suggest the Roppongi, and Shibuya districts of tokyo.   I was there for 3 days in July and we spent most of the time in those two areas.

I also highly recommend to spend some time at the observation deck on top of terminal 1 at Narita. This is the terminal where DL/NW operate. You can access it without the need to go through any security check points.

Oh I forgot, the 744 is a sweet ride too. Obviously, J is better but all long as the flight isn't full you'll be comfortible in Y.

[Edited 2009-10-07 11:37:11]

User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3115 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5946 times:



Quoting Josh32121 (Thread starter):
I will be on a buddy pass and because DL and NW inventory have not yet been merged



Quoting Mayor (Reply 8):
Exactly right. It states that buddy passes are not allowed on NW "routes" until full integration.

NW buddy passes can fly on DL, but DL buddy passes can't fly on NW...

Go figure.



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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

I flew DTW to NRT last November on a NW744. Although the interior seemed a bit dated the seats were comfy and the service was good. and 1mg of Xanex made the PTV situation irrelevant!

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5811 times:



Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 20):
NW buddy passes can fly on DL, but DL buddy passes can't fly on NW...

This is due to the limitations [inferiority] of the DL system of accounting for nonrev payroll invoicing and deductions.

You have only yourself to blame  Wink



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User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1581 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

Jsquared
The meal looks good...aside from that nasty plastic covered bread  Wink
Well maybe the presentation is average but at least you won't starve.
Also lots of vegetables and fruits which is the difference with a cheap dry cake and a cheap pasta salad as 1st course
If this is normal meal on NW (DL) international, there's nothing to blush about



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5961 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5477 times:
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I didn't think it was too bad. Sure it was no NW A330 Y class, but it wasn't bad. I flew a NW 744 in 2008 DTW-AMS. It wasn't much different than NW Y domestic.

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25 Josh32121 : Geez people, relax! The whole point of my post was that OTHER people tend to disparage the Y cabins on these planes, and I was asking if there's real
26 Rwy04LGA : Buddy passes are paid for on the spot, there is no payroll invoicing. Try another answer. Blame for what?
27 Burnsie28 : Not if its an NW flight, those are payroll deducted, just like a non-rev listing on a NW flight. IE non dependent children, pay for Delta upfront wit
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