Kaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1975 posts, RR: 18 Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2637 times:
I'm Aeroplan (AC) Elite (* Alliance Gold). On 3 occasions this year, I've booked YOW-AKL-YOW in business using Aeroplan points. Each time, I've been told that the west coast segment on AC is not available in J, but that if any segment of the trip is in J, the whole booking must be J (50% more points required). I was also told to keep checking back until up to 3 hours prior to departure to see if J was available. So I booked at the higher rate to get the lie-flat (NZ) across the Pacific.
On every west coast segment (YYZ-LAX, YYZ-SFO, LAX-YYZ, SFO-YYZ), J on AC was actually less than half-full when I checked in - in fact, on 2 of the 6 segments, there was only 1 pax in the 14 seat J cabin. However, AC refused to seat me in J, even though I'd used J-level points for the flight (to their credit, many of the AC check-in/gate staff tried, but the system and their supervisors wouldn't allow it). When I complained, AC claimed it was Aeroplan policy, while Aeroplan claimed it was AC policy.
Essentially, it seems to me that this is a misleading, if not fraudulent, business practice. AC/Aeroplan insist on taking J level points for a service they have no intention of providing, regardless of actual availability. I've thought of complaining to the Canadian Transportation Agency or Competition Bureau, but have been put off by the horror stories of how AC treats pax (even Elite) who lay complaints.
On a final note, even the fact that I was travelling to AKL on one occasion to attend my brother's funeral failed to move AC. Because I wanted the quiet and space (there was only one other J pax), I ended up paying $1,600 for a new ticket so that I could use an upgrade certificate to sit in a J cabin for which I had already paid J points. And, of course, when the sole other pax was served a meal, I was told that none had been loaded for me, and I'd have to buy from the Y cart. Very classy!!
BE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 250 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
Wow, that is ugly, especially on the nearly empty segments. Especially since AC Elite is supposed to get you more access to reward seats.
Complaining would be the thing to do...if you could figure out what to hang the complaint on - as near as I can figure, there is no way to prove that they really broke the Aeroplan rules, since it is hard (for me anyway) to find out really what Aeroplan and AC actually have for rules, and even if there were rules, they are probably not going to share their reward vs full paying information for any given flight with us!
Although over the years Aeroplan has worked for me on several occasions, there are several others where it didn't - in a couple cases I've had to book J for multi leg travel one leg or another was 'only' availably in J, and sometimes it wasn't necessarily the longest leg either - sort of the opposite of what you ran into. (And really, for me J isn't really worth it either for reward travel or paying the fare for short trips like goiing direct YHZ - YOW for example).
I suppose these situations are the reason I use a bank 'non-Aeoplan' credit card reward as well, as there has been more than one occasion where Aeroplan was too complicated, or there was simply no availability, and so the bank points were much more useful.
Having said that, I do know that more than once I've tried to book, run into the 'no availability' wall, but by checking back closer to the desired departure day, there are seats available, which I suppose is due to lower than expected normal revenue (I guess that if there is room, then even the lower revenues AC gets from Aeroplan must look better than no revenue)
My worry here is that I'm hoping to book J rewards to AKL myself next year. Hopefully I have more luck than you - or option B will be my bank points for either a J seat or for a Y seat and hope to be able to use an upgrade.
Kaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1975 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2577 times:
Quoting BE77 (Reply 1): My worry here is that I'm hoping to book J rewards to AKL myself next year.
The good news is that I've never had an issue on the AKL leg with NZ. In fact, on one of the return legs, the on-board concierge spent a lot of time trying to get AC to seat me in J from SFO to YYZ, and apologized on behalf of * for being unable to get them to budge.
Kaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1975 posts, RR: 18 Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2574 times:
Quoting BE77 (Reply 1): And really, for me J isn't really worth it either for reward travel or paying the fare for short trips like goiing direct YHZ - YOW for example
Agreed. But the difference really is worth it across the Pacific - 13 hours in a lie-flat vs a regular Y seat.
BE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 250 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2526 times:
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 3): Agreed. But the difference really is worth it across the Pacific - 13 hours in a lie-flat vs a regular Y seat
Definitely...I've done the 'back to back' redeye thing going to YYC > LHR > FRU for example...first trip Y, second the client took pity on me and put me in J (expensive, but I was worth something to them when I got there).