Miller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 711 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6352 times:
My vote for best freighters are:
747 for obvious reasons
MD11/DC10 for the capability of hauling AMJ's
DC8-73 for more nooks and crannies to shove cargo than a Firefly class transport
ATR-72 (containerized) for slow, yet cheap containerized hauling.
But the number one spot is reserved for:
The Cessna Caravan for its ability to move stuff, well, anywhere.
Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5919 times:
Depends on what you want to use it for. For hauling 1000 lbs 400 nm, the Caravan is a great plane. For hauling 230,000 4000 nm, the 747-400 is a little better. I think the 777 is going to replace the 747 and be a great freighter.
TF39 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5835 times:
Quoting Lowrider (Reply 9): I think the 777 is going to replace the 747 and be a great freighter.
And replace the MD-11F
I think at the end of the day it boils down to versatility. IMO the best all around (versatile) commercial freighter is the 747 as it was purposely designed with that intent. Huge volume plus through the nose access for outsize pieces. But I agree that the 777 will replace the 747 for the high volume freight market and for outsize cargo the AN-124 will capture that niche.
Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5697 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11): Any details on its IFSD rate,considering Single engined,also whats the regulation regarding night flying on this type.
Pretty low. I don't know exactly what it is, but it used a P&W PT6A, which is known for its reliability. The rate for the PT6A series overall is approximately .004/1000 hours. I think most Caravan losses are due to icing, which is the aircraft's weakest area. In the US, it has no restriction on night flying for private or commercial use.
Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5696 times:
Quoting TF39 (Reply 12): 777 will replace the 747 for the high volume freight market
The only place I think the 777 can't replace the 747 is for the heavy payload applications, and we have the 747-8 to look forward to there. Not sure if the new -8 will have a nose door, but I imagine Boeing will offer it if demand is sufficient.
Tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1461 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5680 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 13): The worst fuel efficiency is going to be a Falcon 20 freighter, which can hardly carry anything but does burn a good bit of fuel.
Hey! They can carry 6000#'s of freight and I think I figured the MPG to be close to a semi truck lol. It's not about bulking them out anyways, we just need to be able to fit whatever needs to be flown and get it there fast. We get paid the same amount whether it's 1 pound or 6000 and the key is also not to fly trips you would lose money on.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11502 posts, RR: 62 Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5651 times:
I'd suggest the Tu-144 as the 'worst' - a supersonic jet which ended it's brief commercial days flying mail around the Soviet Union. The Yak 42D wasn't a great success either - only one was tried out in cargo configuration and it didn't work, so it went back to passenger operation and I was lucky enough to fly on it after this brief forray as a frieghter. Likewise the single BAC-111 freighter didn't really work out, as there were plenty more which could have been converted if it had.
Conversely I'd suggest the 'best' would include types like the DC-3, DC-8, An-12, An-124/225, Il-76, B747 etc... which haven't just been good at carrying cargo, but have significantly changed the size, shape and way in which it was moved - I mean who'd have thought it would be possible to fly a 120 tonne locomotive before the An-124 came along?
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Ajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5572 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 20): The Yak 42D wasn't a great success either - only one was tried out in cargo configuration and it didn't work, so it went back to passenger operation and I was lucky enough to fly on it after this brief forray as a frieghter.
Wasn't that also the plane that annihilated your back as well? I remember you mentioning it.
Best freighter = One that burns the least fuel over the longest distance with the highest payload.
B777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1144 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5477 times:
The Elleteneleven was, and still is, a great freighter, but not nearly as good as a MD-11F.
The best long-range wide-body freighter at the moment is probably the 777F, doing 90% of what a 747-400F will do, but flying further and doing so at only 60% of the cost. Does all you could ever ask of a freighter except loading the very longest of pieces.
For a medium-range wide-body, you'd be hard pressed to find anything beating the A300-600F - and that includes the 767.
For medium-range narrow-body missions, the B757SF ticks all the right boxes. The Tu-204F is also quite good, but not as good as the 75.
For a turboprop job, you'd have to look east and pick an An-26. They just go and go and go, accepting even brutal punishment without missing a beat.
Above all, however, are the An-124s and the sole -225.
Much harder to pick the worst one, discounting the Tu-144 which wasn't a real freighter anyway. But the BAe ATP is pretty crap. The Belslow is hardly a stellar performer either, and come to think of it the BAe-146 leaves quite a lot to be desired as well. Anyone spotted the common trend here?
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