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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1890 posts, RR: 42
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2813 times:
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Hey guys, a dear friend of mine is moving to St Petersburg for a couple of months and invited me over to visit him anytime. Now I'm gonna be busy with work for the upcoming months but I'll probably manage to get 3/4 days off and pay him a visit.

Now, there are plenty of flights on AMS-LED, but its all Boeing or Airbus. I want to fly a Russian plane. (preferably TY-134/154)

I'll be traveling on a Dutch passport and can probably get a Russian tourist visa. Can anyone advise me on a possible route to go there? I know Aeroflot used to operate plenty of Russian metal on SVO-LED but from what I understand of their website its mostly Airbus now.

Thanks, Martijn


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11673 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2807 times:



Quoting CrimsonNL (Thread starter):
Now, there are plenty of flights on AMS-LED, but its all Boeing or Airbus. I want to fly a Russian plane. (preferably TY-134/154)

I'll be traveling on a Dutch passport and can probably get a Russian tourist visa. Can anyone advise me on a possible route to go there? I know Aeroflot used to operate plenty of Russian metal on SVO-LED but from what I understand of their website its mostly Airbus now.

Aeroflot is all Boeing and Airbus now, until the SSJ arrives later this year. UTAir fly the Tu-134 on MOW-LED as far as I know, so this would be an option.

If money isn't too much of an issue, fly into another Russian/Ukrainian etc... airport, take a local airline with a Tu-154/134 to MOW, and then carry on with the Tu-134 to LED, although you also have the option of flying the new An-148 on LED-MOW too, it's just in service a few weeks ago.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6351 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

I say get yourself to Moscow and then find one of the multitude of airlines that fly between Russia's two biggest cities that offers a Russian aircraft, there have to be some. Basically, I agree with PlymSpotter.

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2795 times:



Quoting CrimsonNL (Thread starter):
Can anyone advise me on a possible route to go there?

Until last year your chances had been to fly from/via HAJ but no Tu-154 scheduled anymore AFAIK..

There often are reports that interesting aircraft are being used on flights from Russia to AYT. Might this be an option ?
-HT



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2776 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
UTAir fly the Tu-134 on MOW-LED as far as I know, so this would be an option.

2 daily flights between LED and VKO, operated by TU-154.

Gazpromavia operates a Yak-42 a few times per week on VKO-LED-VKO in the evening.



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1890 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2741 times:
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Thanks guys, unfortunately AMS-VKO is way overpriced. It even takes me via LED... SVO is affordable though but not much goodies on SVO-LED except maybe the new An-148.


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User currently offlineVandenheuvel From Netherlands, joined Dec 2008, 502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Hi Martijn,

I found the following combination. Way more expensive than the non-stop service.

BT 618 AMS RIX 735
BT 428 RIX KGD F50

UT 390 KGD VKO 735
UT 489 VKO LED T154

UT 490 LED VKO T154
UT 389 VKO KGD 735

BT 429 KGD RIX F50
BT 617 RIX AMS 735

Total price is 662 euro. You will also have to stay in a hotel for 2 nights.

It will be cheaper if you find some local transport between DME and VKO.

AMS-DME on OS is only 170 euro. VKO-LED is 95 euro. Again you will need a hotel for two nights.

Good luck with your choice, I think the above mentioned UT and OS flights are the cheapest option.

You may also consider Germanwings into VKO. These flight leave from CGN witch is reachable by train, STN and HAJ.

Tim,


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

- SU does not operate scheduled services with Russian metal.
- FV operates on some of the LED-SVO & LED-DME runs the AN-148 (only 1 is flying at the moment at them, the 2nd arrived at LED but did not enter revenue service afaik)

UTair and Gazpromavia operate scheduled services on TU-134/154 and Yak-42 to VKO. Other options are pretty limited on LED-MOW in case of Russian aircraft.

If you really want to fly a Russian plane you'd better fly straight to LED. And take from LED a day-trip to MOW, with for example:
UT-490 LED-VKO 7:30-8:35 TU-154
UT-489 VKO-LED 9:15-10:30 TU-154

Price shall be approximately 100 euro for a retour fare.

From VKO there a few options to get into the center. I think that's your best option to fly some Russian plane and at the same time have a look in MOW, which can quite easy be done in 1 day compared to LED  Wink

Mind you to apply in time for a Russian visa.



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2675 times:



Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 5):
Thanks guys, unfortunately AMS-VKO is way overpriced.

Why would you be looking at flying into VKO from Europe? Unless you are taking Germanwings, everything is going to be wayyy overpriced. Even if you fly into SVO or DME, VKO is accessible by train. So if you really want to fly on Russian metal, then just take a train hop from Moscow city centre onto VKO.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1890 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2647 times:
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Thanks for the replies all, I must say the daytrip idea never came to my mind! All is still in the planning phase so nothing is certain yet. Thanks for your help!


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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4275 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Hi Martijn,

for your info, Gazpromavia flies a Yak-42 between VKO and LED too. Flights on Thursday and Sundays.

4G924 1940 2110 ......7 LEDVKO 1 CY YK2 0
4G924 2230 2355 ....5.. LEDVKO 1 CY YK2 0

4G923 1720 1840 ......7 VKOLED D CY YK2 0
4G923 2015 2120 ....5.. VKOLED D CY YK2 0

If you are planning a daytrip to somewhere, you better fly to not a Moscow airport, but other places. Yakutia operates TU5 to OVB/Novosibirsk, UT Air TU3 to SGC/Surgut, to mention just a few. Or take a T20 to KHV/Khabarovsk or VVO/Vladivostok, in the Fareast. It's a long nonstop flight on this rather new Tupolev. Flight is by Vladivostok Air.
Still quite some more opportunities of course...

Regards,
Eric

[Edited 2010-01-16 15:29:02 by airbuseric]


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User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 541 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Just a note, if you decide to go for a daytrip from LED to another city (especially other than MOW), make sure that you have enough turnaround time to get on the return flight. That UT490 flight e.g. is too tight I guess.

I booked an Il-86 return flight ex-VKO with 2h on the ground in AER last year, thinking this was enough to check me back in for the return flight to VKO. I almost got stuck in the airport because some dodgy policeman wanted to earn some extra money after he saw that I was a foreigner  irked  I barely made it back to the check-in on time, so I wouldn't recommend to do that unless you have an overnight stay, but that won't work in your 3-4 day trip.

In general I wouldn't be too worried about the Tu3/5, they will still be around for another 1-2 years for sure, the -154 even longer. I am after some other planes in this area as well, but this time I will make sure I have enough spare time for all these unplanned 'eventualities' that might happen to you over there.

Other than that I can say that the airport transfer between SVO/VKO/DME is quite smooth by train. For me it worked fine.

Cheers,
Loran



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2561 times:



Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
Just a note, if you decide to go for a daytrip from LED to another city (especially other than MOW), make sure that you have enough turnaround time to get on the return flight. That UT490 flight e.g. is too tight I guess.

The UT489 flight is PM, so actually i should have written 21:15-22:30 (my bad, i'm sorry), which gives you 12:30 hours in moscow, even enough to do some sightseeing in the centr.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 10):
If you are planning a daytrip to somewhere, you better fly to not a Moscow airport, but other places. Yakutia operates TU5 to OVB/Novosibirsk, UT Air TU3 to SGC/Surgut, to mention just a few. Or take a T20 to KHV/Khabarovsk or VVO/Vladivostok, in the Fareast. It's a long nonstop flight on this rather new Tupolev. Flight is by Vladivostok Air.

SGC is operated only once daily, so a day trip wouldn't be possible unless you stay in a hotel for a night.

Yakutia also does not operate daily, only once weekly (on 5), and i'm not really sure if you want to go the whole way to VVO or KHV for one day which is actually impossible.



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4275 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

@ Severnaya; true regarding your info about these schedules. But I know Martijn is a good planner and might be able to work with it, buying one-ways and fly triangle flights in a day, e.g. LED-SGC-MOW-LED (just an example). This might give him an opportunity to get various Russian metal, different airlines, and interesting airports.
Also a longhaul to KHV/VVO seems ok to me, sleeping on board, and after arrival on return to the West, maybe via stops in between, e.g. via IKT/KJA/OVB/ABA. I would love to do such thing some day...



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2544 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
@ Severnaya; true regarding your info about these schedules. But I know Martijn is a good planner and might be able to work with it, buying one-ways and fly triangle flights in a day, e.g. LED-SGC-MOW-LED (just an example). This might give him an opportunity to get various Russian metal, different airlines, and interesting airports.

 Smile Yeah that way it could become very succesful.

I just wanted to note those things as he indicated that he's there to visit a friend, so i thought perhaps those 'tricky' flights are a bit too much to be asked. But indeed:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
Also a longhaul to KHV/VVO seems ok to me, sleeping on board, and after arrival on return to the West, maybe via stops in between, e.g. via IKT/KJA/OVB/ABA.

that certainly is possible  Smile



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1890 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2504 times:
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I must say I'm a little afraid of booking triangle flights. I mean I have more then one experience with this but not to a distant Russian city! I speak no Russian so I wouldn't know what to do if I miss my connection.

However the LED-VKO-LED Utair/Gazprom option is VERY exciting. I sure hope I can get the days off! Once again thanks for the advice!

Martijn



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