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Will AA Every Fly From JFK To PHX?  
User currently offlinemop357 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

Hello all,

I recently moved from NY to Phoenix and my father works for AA so I used to get buddy passes off him. However, now its a bit annoying to have to connect in either ORD or DFW. Plus the cost of buddy passes on AA have really creeped up. It cost $270 round trip on a buddy pass to fly from NY to PHX. AA also has tickets from NY to PHX round trip for $219 (tax included) if you buy your ticket early for regular fair.

The last time I flew home I took Jetblue. The straight flight and PTV won me over verses an old mad dog without any entertainment. The buddy pass only cost $95.00. I realized that with AA, if its not a straight flight it makes no sense to use a buddy pass.

I know AA has been doing some expanding and upgrading their airplanes. My question is does anyone see a JFK to PHX flight in the near future? If it was to happen, I can see AA using one of their new 737's to take on the route.

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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

Quoting mop357 (Thread starter):
My question is does anyone see a JFK to PHX flight in the near future? If it was to happen, I can see AA using one of their new 737's to take on the route.


AA used to fly JFK-PHX a number of years ago with 757's. I could see it coming back once AA gets their JFK hub built up a little more.

[Edited 2010-03-01 10:34:46]


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User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 1):
AA used to fly JFK-PHX a number of years ago with 757's. I could see it coming back once AA gets their JFK hub built up a little more.

Do you think AA is going to build up their JFK hub? I have been hoping for this for a while now, but am not holding my breath. I am also waiting for more ORD-JFK flights, other than their piddly little 1x S80.

Cheers,

007



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User currently offlinemop357 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 1):
AA used to fly JFK-PHX a number of years ago with 757's. I could see it coming back once AA gets their JFK hub built up a little more.


Really? How long ago was this? DId they end it because of low yield?

Quoting Crosscheck007 (Reply 2):
Do you think AA is going to build up their JFK hub? I have been hoping for this for a while now, but am not holding my breath. I am also waiting for more ORD-JFK flights, other than their piddly little

I agree. JFK and ORD or both major airport yet most of the flights from ORD go to LGA. I never understood why. I wish AA with get rid of the mad dogs faster. They feel like taking a trip in the past.

Would it make sense for AA to fly to JFK to PHX because US Airways and Delta seems to have Phx on lock.


User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Quoting mop357 (Reply 3):
Would it make sense for AA to fly to JFK to PHX because US Airways and Delta seems to have Phx on lock.

And B6, no?

Quoting mop357 (Reply 3):
I wish AA with get rid of the mad dogs faster. They feel like taking a trip in the past.

I disagree. I think they are a trip and a half, I love em!!!   They fly so smooth and so quiet (at least up in F).

Quoting mop357 (Reply 3):

I agree. JFK and ORD or both major airport yet most of the flights from ORD go to LGA. I never understood why.

I think airlines should really start consolidating their NYC operations. Pick one or the other. CO did this with EWR, now the others should follow suit, the only downside to LGA being the range restriction (as far as I'm concerned). Maybe its time they lift the range restriction so that airlines will be able to streamline their NYC operations?

Cheers,

007



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

Quoting mop357 (Reply 3):
I agree. JFK and ORD or both major airport yet most of the flights from ORD go to LGA. I never understood why

Compare any route from LGA to similar routes from JFK, LGA will almost always have more frequency;

ORD, DTW, MSP, ATL, RDU, IAH, DFW, BOS, DCA, MKE, MCI, STL, PIT etc..

JFK is not an attractive airport for business travelers, EWR and LGA are the preferred airport for business travelers to the New York area;

According to the Port Authority:

16% of JFK's traffic is Business travelers
28% of EWR's traffic is Business travelers
27% of LGA's traffic is Business travelers



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting mop357 (Reply 3):
Really? How long ago was this? DId they end it because of low yield?

Honestly, I can't remember the exact year. I would guess between 3-5 years ago. Yes, the yields on that route are very low as PHX has very little high yield traffic. B6 joining the route didnt help either.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 1):
AA used to fly JFK-PHX a number of years ago with 757's. I could see it coming back once AA gets their JFK hub built up a little more.

Doubtful, AA is not going to be able to get the slots to operate a full-fledged "hub" at JFK. Slots are pretty much maxed out at JFK, with DL and B6 having the most, followed by AA in a distant third. I don't see this changing any time soon.

Jeremy


User currently offlinebiggsfo From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
AA is not going to be able to get the slots to operate a full-fledged "hub" at JFK. Slots are pretty much maxed out at JFK, with DL and B6 having the most, followed by AA in a distant third.

Agreed regarding the slots. Of course AA could pull some Eagle flying in favor of PHX-JFK, but how likely is that if they can use that slot across the Atlantic.

AA could probably make JFK-PHX work, but will they try again remains to be seen.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32785 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
I don't see this changing any time soon.

I do. When air travel is in positive growth mode again, we will see airlines petition for more slots or the termination of slots at JFK.

AA was able to land additional slots for JFK service this summer, including new flying to MAD and MAN, new Eagle flying to CMH and STL, new route to SJO, and expanded frequency to MIA and SDQ.

It will be difficult for at least the next 3-4 years to grow at peak trans-Atlantic times, but if AA wants to get creative with later departure banks, then there is certainly room for them.



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User currently offlinehondah35 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 6):
Honestly, I can't remember the exact year. I would guess between 3-5 years ago. Yes, the yields on that route are very low as PHX has very little high yield traffic. B6 joining the route didnt help either.

I've quit believing that airlines have any clue which cities yield more than others. Airlines are bleeding money and yet these days just about every single CO/UA/AA/DL flight leaves PHX 100% full.

If your planes are leaving full and you're not making any money, then you are not pricing your product correctly. You can't make me believe that the airlines' pricing models are so pinpoint accurate that they provide 100% capacity usage at maximum revenue.

This industry needs some serious outside expertise to help update its pricing systems.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 6):
Quoting mop357 (Reply 3):
Really? How long ago was this? DId they end it because of low yield?

Honestly, I can't remember the exact year. I would guess between 3-5 years ago. Yes, the yields on that route are very low as PHX has very little high yield traffic. B6 joining the route didnt help either.

For many years, at least from the late 1950s through the mid-1980s or later, AA operated JFK-PHX nonstop, initially with DC-7s, followed by 707s, 727-200s and occasionally DC-10s. TWA also started JFK-PHX nonstop sevice sometime in the 1960s using 707s and later L1011s. When AA and TW were both operating, AA usually had 2 daily nonstops and TW one.


User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Compare any route from LGA to similar routes from JFK, LGA will almost always have more frequency;

ORD, DTW, MSP, ATL, RDU, IAH, DFW, BOS, DCA, MKE, MCI, STL, PIT etc..

True, though JFK has a lot more domestic flights then in the past. Many of the above cities have 10+ flights per day, during normal operations.



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User currently offlineFCO110 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

another oddity I noticed is AA does not fly to Denver from any NY airport?

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5275 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Compare any route from LGA to similar routes from JFK, LGA will almost always have more frequency;

ORD, DTW, MSP, ATL, RDU, IAH, DFW, BOS, DCA, MKE, MCI, STL, PIT etc..

JFK is not an attractive airport for business travelers, EWR and LGA are the preferred airport for business travelers to the New York area;

According to the Port Authority:

16% of JFK's traffic is Business travelers
28% of EWR's traffic is Business travelers
27% of LGA's traffic is Business travelers

Within LGA's perimeter yes, but outside the perimeter, travelers only have the option of EWR or JFK if they want to get to New York nonstop from places such as LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, PHX, LAS, etc. And, in many of those cases, JFK is actually the airport that caters to the business traveler and offers the greater number of nonstop service (i.e. LAX and SFO).



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4258 times:

Quoting FCO110 (Reply 13):
another oddity I noticed is AA does not fly to Denver from any NY airport?

Nope. Another big hole in the AA system in NYC. One would figure AA would at least attempt some new mainline flights out of JFK with the new terminal but progress has been pretty minimal. DL flies JFK to DEN and PHX on 738s and out of makeshift terminal to boot.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32785 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4219 times:

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 15):
Another big hole in the AA system in NYC. One would figure AA would at least attempt some new mainline flights out of JFK with the new terminal but progress has been pretty minimal.

Want to buy AA some more JFK slots? It'd love to have them.

Until then, JFK-AUS/MAD/SJO/MAN/STL/CMH start between April 6th and July 2nd.



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